RE: New poll for ukha_d

["Mick Furlong" <dorsai@xxxxxxx>]

Sorry folks it is a year since I was on a modem link (thank heavens!), how
long did it take people t  download the emails from last night?

In any case I think that we risk spoiling all the good stuff that comes
through if we move stuff ont  IRC or IM. I think IRC is great for certain
things but it cannot replace the mailing list (and I have been using IRC
for
a lot of years). Ok you can log the channels but then either someone has t
edit it or we will have to read through the chat t  get to the meat.

As t  Phil Paul and anyone else  posting OT drunken drivel to the list (I
recall doing it myself on occasion) well I find it good fun. I was stone
cold sober last night and had a good laugh at Phil and Paul antics as did a
few others I think. This is supposed t  be fun lets not take it t
seriously.

So my vote is use the list for most things and IRC or IM only for limited
uses

Mick.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Watt [mailto:kennethwatt@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 01 July 2001 19:06
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] New poll for ukha_d
>
>
> One small drawback with IRC as opposed t  Instant Messaging:
>
> IM services are exactly what they state and almost every PC running a
> Win 9* platform has AOL or MSN built int  it, IRC is more of an
internet
> die-hard format these days. Therefore IRC is not as accessible t  new
> users as IM services, IMO.
>
> I would agree that for the project that IRC is the answer, for sure,
but
> for general chit-chat I just don't know!
>
> Let's face it the fact is 95% of PC's out there are running on a
Windows
> platform, those users that are running another OS are usually very
> computer literate and can adapt easily t  alternatives on their chosen
> OS.
>
> K.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Calum Morrell [mailto:calum@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 01 July 2001 23:40
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] New poll for ukha_d
>
> Yes but that's my point .... if they have a prior inclination to be
> involved then IRC is a valuable t ol, and remember I said the scripts
> could be pasted in an email and sent to the list as well ..... so no
one
>
> has to miss out :-)
>
> People on list can still comment on the conversations from IRC as they
> have the script in theie email -- so no one is ruled out.
>
> Phil Harris wrote:
>
> > The problem I see with IRC is that people aren't looking in on
the
> > conversation and contributing actively unless they have a prior
> inclinatiuon
> > t  be involved.
> >
> > As for the large mail lists ... I have no problems with
shift-deleting
> a
> > swathe of emails (I do it with most of the project ones since I'm
not
> > involved in that) but it does put some people off who aren't so
> dedicated t
> > the "cause". I use ISDN t  retrieve my mail because
where I am a
> normal
> > modem runs at about 1.4k/sec so I do know what it's like t  have
to
> wait for
> > large numbers of mails t  download.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Calum Morrell [mailto:calum@xxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: 01 July 2001 23:27
> >> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] New poll for ukha_d
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil ... yes ... but no!
> >>
> >> Yes I agree IRC requires real time meetings .... but these
can be
> >> arranged if necessary if there specific to something rather
than just
> >> chatting. It's a compliment to email, not a replacement ...
but it is
> >> beneficial when groups of people need t  discuss something
... email
> >> *does* clog the lists and can take a long time to host a
short
> >> disscusion. A meeting on IRC can have the scripts recorded
which can
> >> then be edited [if neccesary] and posted as a single email t 
the
> list,
> >> thus reducing traffic and ensuring no one is left out :-)
> >>
> >> instant messengers and related chat functions however are
more of a
> >> problem ... I would suggest email complimented by IRC as
there are
> many
> >> free clients for just about every OS under the sun.
> >>
> >> Phil, stop apologising please, it's easy t  select the first
entry
> and
> >> shift select the last then press <del> ;-)
> >>
> >> Phil Harris wrote:
> >>
> >>> Looking at it with my sensible hat on ... there's a lot
of
> >>
> >> people get a lot
> >>
> >>> of usefull information from the group. IRC isn't going t 
work
> >>
> >> s  well as it
> >>
> >>> depends on a conversation taking place in real time
rather than
> >>
> >> via email
> >>
> >>> where the two parties can leave and join a
"conversation" as
> >>
> >> they feel like
> >>
> >>> it and others can join in when they feel they have
something t
> >>
> >> contribute.
> >>
> >>> If people have been put off the group by last nights
sillyness then
> I'm
> >>> afraid thats my fault and rather than them consider going
elsewhere
> for
> >>> information (which I really don't think they'll get as
good support
> >>> elsewhere as people give here) *OR* consider fragmenting
the
> >>
> >> list over int
> >>
> >>> IRC where I think lots of good information will get
missed I'll
> >>
> >> go walkabout
> >>
> >>> for a bit and let people breathe a little easier that
they
> >>
> >> won't get floods
> >>
> >>> of my conversations.
> >>>
> >>> Basically I think it will detract from the groups ability
t  jump in
> on
> >>> conversations or contribute after the fact if this group
was t
> >>
> >> split int
> >>
> >>> an IRC section and an email based section.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Phil
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Calum Morrell
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> >> freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but
with
> >> life itself." From The Declaration of Arbroath 1320.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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