RE: Newbie Again

["Phil Harris" <phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx>]

Rubber sheets Ken ... rubber sheets!

Phil

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Watt [mailto:kennethwatt@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 18 August 2001 00:07
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
>
>
> Na, the spare room my mate wanted to call in a priest to have a
exorcism
> performed...I'll leave the rest to your imagination, which seems on
form
> this evening ;-)
>
> K.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 17 August 2001 23:59
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
>
> I just don't want to lose those 40 learned IR commands on HV...
>
> ...hope you're not redecorating the spare room. Still fancy spending
the
> night with all those famous babes! (Fish lips can make the tea...)
>
> Phil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kenneth Watt [mailto:kennethwatt@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 17 August 2001 23:41
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
> >
> >
> > You are correct AFAIK Phil. That's the setup I have, no need for
the
> > 7243 as HV receives IR from any room that matters through an IR
> > distribution block. Funny thing though, HV has stopped responding
to
> my
> > TV remote for some reason, which bugging the hell out of me but I
> don't
> > have the time to sort it at the moment due to a little
re-decorating
> :-(
> >
> > K.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 17 August 2001 23:18
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
> >
> >
> > No ... you are correct.
> >
> > If you're doing a whole house IR return system back to "node
0" (I
> hate
> > that
> > term - makes us all sound like geeks!) then the 7243AH can be
done
> > without.
> > The reasoning behind my saying that the 7243 is worth keeping is
that
> > until
> > the latest release of the HomeVision EPROM (and I may well be
wrong
> here
> > so
> > someone please correct me if my information is in error)
HomeVision
> > couldn't
> > *RECEIVE* any commands other than those already programmed into
it in
> > the IR
> > codes database. Now, my understanding with the latest release of
the
> > EPROM
> > and the latest software is that HomeVision can receive (and hence
act
> > on)
> > any codes that it has been taught too.
> >
> > Now, HV has a 256 learned IR command limit that CSI don't think
is a
> > problem
> > but I have had to quite carefully go through my Pronto CCF to
decide
> wat
> > I
> > want to teach HV and what I can leave out (for example, HV
doesn't
> need
> > to
> > know how to decrement the left skew in my CRT projectors setup
menu).
> > Now,
> > if you're starting to use the HV itself to receive the IR X10
commands
> > and
> > pass them out onto the powerline then you have 16 of your 256
used for
> > house
> > codes, 16 more used for unit codes plus 2 (All units off and All
> lights
> > on)
> > and the ON/OFF/DIM/BRIGHT commands which means you've used 40 out
of
> > your
> > possible 256 commands - to mee this is just too many codes used
from
> the
> > 256
> > when I'm damn short of codes to begin with (my CRT projector
remote is
> a
> > mother!).
> >
> > I'd still stick an IR7243AH in node zero to pick up the IR from
the
> > distributed IR system and convert that back into X10 commands
rather
> > than
> > using HV - £70 to save 40 learned IR command slots is well worth
it in
> > my
> > opinion.
> >
> > Of course you could assign 40 of the pre-learned commands to the
> > different
> > X10 commands but then that gets very messy!
> >
> > Just as an aside, I have recently been playing with a Maxi
Controller
> > that
> > Li at Laser sent me down (www.laser.com) to have a play with and
I
> must
> > say
> > that I love it! When setting up my house with X10 I allocated a
house
> > code
> > to each room and so with one of the maxi controllers I can have
> *DIRECT*
> > control of any of the possible 16 X10 units in any one room (I
dislike
> > the
> > 1-4 unit codes of the mini controllers with a switch to select
5-8).
> One
> > of
> > those with a built in All Housecodes IR receiver would be superb!
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Calum Morrell [mailto:calum@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 18 August 2001 03:58
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil, I was under the impression if he runs cables from wall
mounted
> > ir
> > > receivers to homebase, it would redistribute the signal all
over the
> > > house .. thus not needing an IR7243AH in each room he wants
to be
> able
> > > to use the pronto in. Have I got that wrong?
> > >
> > > Phil Harris wrote:
> > >
> > > > Don't scrap the LD10's they're a great piece of kit and
with the
> > LD11
> > > > firmware they have preset dim and soft start which is
> > > wonderfull! If you did
> > > > want to dim halogens then just do a little more
research before
> > choosing
> > > > your mains transformers or go for mains halogens ... as
I said,
> > > I have had
> > > > dimmable electronic transformers running off LD10's and
they're
> > fine.
> > > >
> > > > Jeez! Nothing like putting the wind up the guy...
> > > >
> > > > The IR7243AH allows you to send X10 commands from the
Pronto
> > > which can be
> > > > picked up by modules round the house and my HomeVision
... I
> > > would strongly
> > > > suggest that you still do want this piece of kit!
> > > >
> > > > The appliance wall switches are dog ugly as are the
LW10Us -
> > > try the Clipsal
> > > > switch plates with momentary switches operating LD10s
and then
> > > you can do
> > > > your two way switching easily.
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Hall, Alex [mailto:alex.hall@xxxxxxx]
> > > >> Sent: 17 August 2001 21:28
> > > >> To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> > > >> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for the responses so far...
> > > >>
> > > >> So I am scrapping the dimmers possibly - need to do
a bit more
> > > research on
> > > >> this.
> > > >>
> > > >> 10002	LD10 DIN Mounted Lamp Module (LD11 Internal
Software)
> > > >> £34.99 * 14
> > > >> 10455	DIN Enclosure for 1 x LD10/LD11
> > > >> £17.63 * 14
> > > >> 10 * 1 gang faceplates
> > > >> 3 * 2 gang faceplates
> > > >>
> > > >> and replacing them with something like:
> > > >>
> > > >> 10030	APPLIANCE SWITCH AW10U (Requires NEUTRAL
Wire)	£30
> > > >>
> > > >> however my switches are unlikely to have a neutral
wire ???
> > > and also some
> > > >> likes the stairs/landing switches are 2 gang ???
> > > >> Which the AW10U isn't ? And I'd like a brass
coloured switches.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Also as I am going for HomeVision I don't need the
IR7243AH.
> > Correct ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Do I need the XM10U ?
> > > >>
> > > >> And then add 2* the number of cat5 lines/ports.
> > > >>
> > > >> and finally some IR repeaters when Ian has finished
them :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> and probably not bother with the WS10's either.
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks so far
> > > >>
> > > >> alex
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> flooring down and fit LV lighting,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> LV lighting does not mix well with X10 dimming.
Basically the
> > > >>> transformers
> > > >>> don't like it and may fail, catch fire if you
try it. They
> > > >>> are fine with
> > > >>> appliance type modules as these are straight
on/off. Mains
> > > >>> voltage halogens
> > > >>> are fine for dimming.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> In essence I am looking to have a small
internal network
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1-2 data ports in
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> each room, and then be able to connect
> > > >>>
> > > >>> tv/satellite/dvd/video around the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Fit more CAT5 cable and ports and then double
it. Pretty much
> > > >>> everything can
> > > >>> run over CAT5 including all you telly
requirements - see Kat5
> > > >>> from Keith
> > > >>> Doxey.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> 95000	Pronto RU890 Remote & RU941
Docking Station
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (Package Price)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> £179.95
> > > >>>> 10512	IR7243AH All House Code IR->X10
Converter for
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Pronto/RC5000
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> £72.85
> > > >>>> 10215	XM10U (TW7223) X10 -> Mains
Interface
> > > >>>> £30
> > > >>>
> > > >>> All good choices
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> 10003	HomeVision Home Automation Controller
3.0 PAL
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 		£440
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Go for the standalone unit. It is small and
under normal
> > > >>> circumstances one
> > > >>> of the most reliable bits of kit you can buy
today. Budget
> > > >>> for an expansion
> > > >>> board in the future as that is great as well.
Temperature
> > > >>> input via Dallas
> > > >>> thingies (1820s) and the analogue port etc.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Then, in terms of the house I am looking at
fitting low
> > > >>>
> > > >>> voltage lighting
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> throughout which means:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Room		Dimmers	Data Ports/TV-AV Ports
> > > >>>> Lounge		2 gang		2/2
> > > >>>> Dining Room	1		2/1
> > > >>>> Hallway		2 gang		2/1
> > > >>>> CloakRoom	1
> > > >>>> Kitchen		1		2/1
> > > >>>> FamilyRoom	1		2/1
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Bedroom1	1		2/2
> > > >>>> Bedroom2	1		2/1
> > > >>>> Bedroom3	1		2/1
> > > >>>> Bedroom4	1		2/1
> > > >>>> Bathroom	1
> > > >>>> Ensuite		1
> > > >>>> Landing		2 gang		2/1
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Does this therefore mean that I need 14 of
the following for
> the
> > > >>>> Low Voltage
> > > >>>> Lighting?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 10002	LD10 DIN Mounted Lamp Module (LD11
Internal
> Software)
> > > >>>> £34.99 * 14
> > > >>>> 10455	DIN Enclosure for 1 x LD10/LD11
> > > >>>> £17.63 * 14
> > > >>>> 10 * 1 gang faceplates
> > > >>>> 3 * 2 gang faceplates
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Is there a cheaper source for brass
faceplate dimmers as
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 10070/1 is > £70
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> each ?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In order to do the Data Ports/TV-AV ports I
am guessing I need
> > > >>>> around 2.5km
> > > >>>> of cat5e wiring ? Does that sound correct.
> > > >>>> Also where is a good place to purchase this
(I live near
> > Windsor)?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I also presume I will need to grab some
Kat5 widget thingies so
> I
> > > >>>> can run AV
> > > >>>> over the cat5e? Is that the generally
recommended way now ?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> See notes at the beginning!!!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Ok also needed will be:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> crimping tool - yes
> > > >>>> IR detector - any suggestions which one ?
detector??
> > > >>>> patch panel - any suggestions which one ? -
lets automate
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ones are a good
> > > >>> price although I have never seen one in the
flesh.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> patch panel leads - yes
> > > >>>> and then a mixture of AM12/LM12/AW10 for
the mains electrics. -
> > yes
> > > >>>> Whats people's view on the WS10, its much
more expensive so
> > > >>>
> > > >>> is it worth it
> > > >>> ? - pass
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Anything else I missed, any other
recomendations?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You may want to think about IR distribution. I
am developing
> > > >>> some PIC based
> > > >>> IR repeaters and Keith is working on IR return
for KAT5. Mine
> > > >>> will need
> > > >>> about 5 lines in a CAT5 cable between A and B.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ian
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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