RE: Newbie Again

["Phil Harris" <phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx>]

I just don't want to lose those 40 learned IR commands on HV...

...hope you're not redecorating the spare room. Still fancy spending the
night with all those famous babes! (Fish lips can make the tea...)

Phil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Watt [mailto:kennethwatt@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 17 August 2001 23:41
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
>
>
> You are correct AFAIK Phil. That's the setup I have, no need for the
> 7243 as HV receives IR from any room that matters through an IR
> distribution block. Funny thing though, HV has stopped responding to
my
> TV remote for some reason, which bugging the hell out of me but I
don't
> have the time to sort it at the moment due to a little re-decorating
:-(
>
> K.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 17 August 2001 23:18
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
>
>
> No ... you are correct.
>
> If you're doing a whole house IR return system back to "node
0" (I hate
> that
> term - makes us all sound like geeks!) then the 7243AH can be done
> without.
> The reasoning behind my saying that the 7243 is worth keeping is that
> until
> the latest release of the HomeVision EPROM (and I may well be wrong
here
> so
> someone please correct me if my information is in error) HomeVision
> couldn't
> *RECEIVE* any commands other than those already programmed into it in
> the IR
> codes database. Now, my understanding with the latest release of the
> EPROM
> and the latest software is that HomeVision can receive (and hence act
> on)
> any codes that it has been taught too.
>
> Now, HV has a 256 learned IR command limit that CSI don't think is a
> problem
> but I have had to quite carefully go through my Pronto CCF to decide
wat
> I
> want to teach HV and what I can leave out (for example, HV doesn't
need
> to
> know how to decrement the left skew in my CRT projectors setup menu).
> Now,
> if you're starting to use the HV itself to receive the IR X10 commands
> and
> pass them out onto the powerline then you have 16 of your 256 used for
> house
> codes, 16 more used for unit codes plus 2 (All units off and All
lights
> on)
> and the ON/OFF/DIM/BRIGHT commands which means you've used 40 out of
> your
> possible 256 commands - to mee this is just too many codes used from
the
> 256
> when I'm damn short of codes to begin with (my CRT projector remote is
a
> mother!).
>
> I'd still stick an IR7243AH in node zero to pick up the IR from the
> distributed IR system and convert that back into X10 commands rather
> than
> using HV - £70 to save 40 learned IR command slots is well worth it in
> my
> opinion.
>
> Of course you could assign 40 of the pre-learned commands to the
> different
> X10 commands but then that gets very messy!
>
> Just as an aside, I have recently been playing with a Maxi Controller
> that
> Li at Laser sent me down (www.laser.com) to have a play with and I
must
> say
> that I love it! When setting up my house with X10 I allocated a house
> code
> to each room and so with one of the maxi controllers I can have
*DIRECT*
> control of any of the possible 16 X10 units in any one room (I dislike
> the
> 1-4 unit codes of the mini controllers with a switch to select 5-8).
One
> of
> those with a built in All Housecodes IR receiver would be superb!
>
> Phil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Calum Morrell [mailto:calum@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 18 August 2001 03:58
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
> >
> >
> > Phil, I was under the impression if he runs cables from wall
mounted
> ir
> > receivers to homebase, it would redistribute the signal all over
the
> > house .. thus not needing an IR7243AH in each room he wants to be
able
> > to use the pronto in. Have I got that wrong?
> >
> > Phil Harris wrote:
> >
> > > Don't scrap the LD10's they're a great piece of kit and with
the
> LD11
> > > firmware they have preset dim and soft start which is
> > wonderfull! If you did
> > > want to dim halogens then just do a little more research
before
> choosing
> > > your mains transformers or go for mains halogens ... as I
said,
> > I have had
> > > dimmable electronic transformers running off LD10's and
they're
> fine.
> > >
> > > Jeez! Nothing like putting the wind up the guy...
> > >
> > > The IR7243AH allows you to send X10 commands from the Pronto
> > which can be
> > > picked up by modules round the house and my HomeVision ... I
> > would strongly
> > > suggest that you still do want this piece of kit!
> > >
> > > The appliance wall switches are dog ugly as are the LW10Us -
> > try the Clipsal
> > > switch plates with momentary switches operating LD10s and
then
> > you can do
> > > your two way switching easily.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Hall, Alex [mailto:alex.hall@xxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: 17 August 2001 21:28
> > >> To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> > >> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Newbie Again
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the responses so far...
> > >>
> > >> So I am scrapping the dimmers possibly - need to do a
bit more
> > research on
> > >> this.
> > >>
> > >> 10002	LD10 DIN Mounted Lamp Module (LD11 Internal
Software)
> > >> £34.99 * 14
> > >> 10455	DIN Enclosure for 1 x LD10/LD11
> > >> £17.63 * 14
> > >> 10 * 1 gang faceplates
> > >> 3 * 2 gang faceplates
> > >>
> > >> and replacing them with something like:
> > >>
> > >> 10030	APPLIANCE SWITCH AW10U (Requires NEUTRAL Wire)	£30
> > >>
> > >> however my switches are unlikely to have a neutral wire
???
> > and also some
> > >> likes the stairs/landing switches are 2 gang ???
> > >> Which the AW10U isn't ? And I'd like a brass coloured
switches.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Also as I am going for HomeVision I don't need the
IR7243AH.
> Correct ?
> > >>
> > >> Do I need the XM10U ?
> > >>
> > >> And then add 2* the number of cat5 lines/ports.
> > >>
> > >> and finally some IR repeaters when Ian has finished them
:-)
> > >>
> > >> and probably not bother with the WS10's either.
> > >>
> > >> thanks so far
> > >>
> > >> alex
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>> flooring down and fit LV lighting,
> > >>>
> > >>> LV lighting does not mix well with X10 dimming.
Basically the
> > >>> transformers
> > >>> don't like it and may fail, catch fire if you try
it. They
> > >>> are fine with
> > >>> appliance type modules as these are straight on/off.
Mains
> > >>> voltage halogens
> > >>> are fine for dimming.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> In essence I am looking to have a small internal
network
> > >>>
> > >>> 1-2 data ports in
> > >>>
> > >>>> each room, and then be able to connect
> > >>>
> > >>> tv/satellite/dvd/video around the
> > >>>
> > >>> Fit more CAT5 cable and ports and then double it.
Pretty much
> > >>> everything can
> > >>> run over CAT5 including all you telly requirements -
see Kat5
> > >>> from Keith
> > >>> Doxey.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> 95000	Pronto RU890 Remote & RU941 Docking
Station
> > >>>
> > >>> (Package Price)
> > >>>
> > >>>> £179.95
> > >>>> 10512	IR7243AH All House Code IR->X10
Converter for
> > >>>
> > >>> Pronto/RC5000
> > >>>
> > >>>> £72.85
> > >>>> 10215	XM10U (TW7223) X10 -> Mains Interface
> > >>>> £30
> > >>>
> > >>> All good choices
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> 10003	HomeVision Home Automation Controller 3.0
PAL
> > >>>
> > >>> 		£440
> > >>>
> > >>> Go for the standalone unit. It is small and under
normal
> > >>> circumstances one
> > >>> of the most reliable bits of kit you can buy today.
Budget
> > >>> for an expansion
> > >>> board in the future as that is great as well.
Temperature
> > >>> input via Dallas
> > >>> thingies (1820s) and the analogue port etc.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Then, in terms of the house I am looking at
fitting low
> > >>>
> > >>> voltage lighting
> > >>>
> > >>>> throughout which means:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Room		Dimmers	Data Ports/TV-AV Ports
> > >>>> Lounge		2 gang		2/2
> > >>>> Dining Room	1		2/1
> > >>>> Hallway		2 gang		2/1
> > >>>> CloakRoom	1
> > >>>> Kitchen		1		2/1
> > >>>> FamilyRoom	1		2/1
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Bedroom1	1		2/2
> > >>>> Bedroom2	1		2/1
> > >>>> Bedroom3	1		2/1
> > >>>> Bedroom4	1		2/1
> > >>>> Bathroom	1
> > >>>> Ensuite		1
> > >>>> Landing		2 gang		2/1
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Does this therefore mean that I need 14 of the
following for the
> > >>>> Low Voltage
> > >>>> Lighting?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 10002	LD10 DIN Mounted Lamp Module (LD11
Internal Software)
> > >>>> £34.99 * 14
> > >>>> 10455	DIN Enclosure for 1 x LD10/LD11
> > >>>> £17.63 * 14
> > >>>> 10 * 1 gang faceplates
> > >>>> 3 * 2 gang faceplates
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is there a cheaper source for brass faceplate
dimmers as
> > >>>
> > >>> 10070/1 is > £70
> > >>>
> > >>>> each ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In order to do the Data Ports/TV-AV ports I am
guessing I need
> > >>>> around 2.5km
> > >>>> of cat5e wiring ? Does that sound correct.
> > >>>> Also where is a good place to purchase this (I
live near
> Windsor)?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I also presume I will need to grab some Kat5
widget thingies so I
> > >>>> can run AV
> > >>>> over the cat5e? Is that the generally
recommended way now ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> See notes at the beginning!!!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Ok also needed will be:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> crimping tool - yes
> > >>>> IR detector - any suggestions which one ?
detector??
> > >>>> patch panel - any suggestions which one ? - lets
automate
> > >>>
> > >>> ones are a good
> > >>> price although I have never seen one in the flesh.
> > >>>
> > >>>> patch panel leads - yes
> > >>>> and then a mixture of AM12/LM12/AW10 for the
mains electrics. -
> yes
> > >>>> Whats people's view on the WS10, its much more
expensive so
> > >>>
> > >>> is it worth it
> > >>> ? - pass
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Anything else I missed, any other
recomendations?
> > >>>
> > >>> You may want to think about IR distribution. I am
developing
> > >>> some PIC based
> > >>> IR repeaters and Keith is working on IR return for
KAT5. Mine
> > >>> will need
> > >>> about 5 lines in a CAT5 cable between A and B.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ian
> > >>>
> > >>>
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