Re: Anyone moved to LED Lighting?

["Josepi" <JRM@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You have no idea what you are talking about here, do you?

Geeesh. It's getting boring teasing the village idiot, now

<PLONK>



" "Don Klipstein" <don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:slrnhjgdd9.jtr.don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
" In article <YVAZm.72281$cd7.67323@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Josepi wrote:
" >Many CFLs are a third harmonic problem for the electrical distribution
grid.
" >Some claim this may have been resolved in later designs but many don't
know
" >the difference between power factor and third harmonics, either.
"
"   However, total RMS current of low-power-factor CFLs including the part
" from 3rd harmonic is less than that of same-light-output incandescents.

" >Transformers must use different designs to help eliminate third harmonics
" >from these nasty bulbs (including HID lamps) and it still depends on
" >balanced three phase harmonic distribution at about 6-10 million dollars
per
" >transformer.
"
"   That is an issue that was known at least as far back as the mid 1980's.

" > These nasty little glitches will make love to your furnace and
" >fridge motor. Now who's saving money?...LOL
"
"   These glitches have little effect on RMS voltage or difference between
" total RMS voltage and fundamental-frequency-component-thereof delivered to
" motors in nearly all industrial applications and even more totally in
" residential applications.

" >(fuck your bottom confusion. It's not worth educating some)
"
"   I advise to know Usenet, its conventions and ettiquette!

" (At least you added a quotation symbol per line of material that was
" already previously quoted in the article that you responded to, although
" itappears to me that you chose a non-standard one)
"
"  - Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)

" >"Don Klipstein" <don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
" >news:slrnhjdilo.is7.don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
" >| In article <4b36aadb$0$30847$822641b3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, David
" >| Nebenzahl wrote:
" >| >On 11/21/2009 9:28 PM Don Klipstein spake thus:
" >| >
" >| >>   Compared to incandescents, in USA on average CFLs actually reduce
" >mining
" >| >> of mercury-containing materials and transfering mercury to the
" >| >> environment.  This is because about half of all electricity produced
in
" >| >> the USA is obtained by burning coal, a major source of mercury
" >pollution.
" >| >
" >| >You know, we've only heard you say this here about, oh, 117,000 times.
" >| >
" >| >Your assertion (about CFLs resulting in less mercury contamination)
" >| >contains a *major* fallacy. It implies that when one use a CFL instead
" >| >of an incandescent light bulb, the electricity somehow, magically
turns
" >| >"cleaner", with less mercury emitted.
" >|
" >|  Yes, less mercury is emitted, because you use 70-75% less electricity.
" >|
" >| >If you run a CFL, your electricity *still* comes from the same
" >| >mercury-spewing coal-fired power plant. You're just using less of it
" >| >than if you use an incandescent bulb.
" >|
" >|  That does get power companies to crank down their plants.  The nukes
and
" >| hydropower will be the last ones to crank down, because their
load-related
" >| operating costs are low.  (Most of the cost of nukes is unrelated to
" >| load.)
" >|
" >| >Now, it's true that if *enough* people used CFLs, *and* if the
resulting
" >| >power savings were enough for the power companies to say, "Hey, let's
" >| >start shutting down our dirty old coal-fired power plants", then one
" >| >could truly say that the use of CFLs reduces mercury emissions. But
that
" >| >hasn't happened yet. Nowhere near it. They're still burning lots of
" >| >coal, and planning on building even *more* coal-fired plants.
" >|
" >|  CFLs are merely slowing demand growth.  Most of the incandescents
" >| that can be replaced with CFLs are not yet replaced with CFLs, the
" >| population is growing, along with use of larger TV sets.  If all CFLs
were
" >| replaced with incandescents of same light output, the situation would
be
" >| even worse.
" >|
" >| <SNIP from here>
" >|
" >| - Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)
" >|
" >| - Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)
" >|
" >| - Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)