Re: Justify Upgrade from X-10 to Z-Wave?

["Bobby Green" <robert_green1963@xxxxxxxxx>]

"Tom" <donot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I'm combining my responses to your two posts into one in this post. The
> responses to the other post are addressed first ...
>
> > I am unclear about one thing.  Are you having intermittent trouble
> > already?
> > Are there times when things won't turn on or off as they should or as
they
> > do at other times during the day?
>
> In the past, it was at my mother's house, she was using a basic key-fob
and
> the mini-timer to control the room lights from an adjustable bed. I knew
at
> the time it had something to do with the bed but I was so new to actually
> using x10 that I didn't even know it was solvable. In my own home when I
> first got a 'starter kit', some locations seemed to work part of the time.
> Those were different than how I use it now but in reading other posts
here,
> I'm seeing how some of the problems likely occured from either line noise
or
> signal suckers. My only real problem was being able to control lights with
a
> mini-timer - it is very tempermental only working about 90% of the time
from
> my bedroom. The position of the lazyboy in the living room seemed to
affect
> how it worked... but it wasn't consistent enough to be proven, just
> anedotal.

That helps.  You can expect more problems as the distance from controllers
to receivers increases.  The coin cell powered RF transmitters like the
keyfob are notoriously weak, so it doesn't take much to interfere with their
transmissions

--
Bobby G.


> "Bobby Green" <robert_green1963@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > "Tom" <donot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >> I hadn't thought about the transceiver but that does make sense given
> >> what
> > I
> >> know about the stock unit. I'm doing integration piecmeal... can't
afford
> > to
> >> it all at once. I plan to add a few wired switches at watch to see what
> >> problems I run into. I'm just using modules right now and have had
little
> > or
> >> not problems other than two different types of controllers that worked
> >> poorly from day one.
> >
> > Which controllers have you had trouble with?
>
> The mini-timer - never like the thing, just used it because it had a
clock.
> Not well designed IMO and it always ran a bit hot from the power supply.
To
> me, it seemed a bit anal in the limits of features when other products
cost
> less and did more. It worked intermittently for me and finally failed in
its
> remote capability... I wonder if it was defective from day one.
>
> The other, was the UR47A Universal remote. Another design behind the curve
> when I bought it. It takes a steady press to get any of the modules to
> respond and the TV remote appeared to use a chipset that was at least a
> generation behind current devices on the market. I had one of the more
> common cable boxes used by comcast and it couldn't control it - That was 6
> years ago and I switched and got sat TV and shoved the thing in the drawer
> knowing it couldn't control the sat converter. I have it out now, with new
> batteries and it is sluggish at best sometimes not hitting all the
modules.
> >
> >> I have two other controllers that have never yielded a
> >> single problem in the 7 years I had everything.
> >
> > Conversely, what model/type controller has been successful for you?  It
> > would help to know details.
>
> Consistent success? Hold still - the PHR03 16-channel handheld from
x-10Pro!
> Got two of them and both haven't missed in recent memory. My only gripe is
> the battery compartment design - cramped and the terminals need an
> occasional re-forming to keep pressure on the batteries.
>
> >
> >> So, the question is, as I
> >> start to encounter problems, which would be the first step - the
> > transceiver
> >> or the amp? I'm assuming the transceiver but I might be missing
> >> something.
> >
> > If installing the XTB-IIR across both phases is not a problem for you
(and
> > I
> > am assuming it's not because you were talking about the simililarly
> > installed HCA) then that's where I would start.  The WGL unit plugs
> > directly
> > into the XTB's digital jack, so you can save yourself a few bucks (20 I
> > think) by buying the more stripped down WGL All Housecode transceiver
> > without the powerline interface.
>
> Thanks for the input. I now have a clear plan how to progress and a better
> understanding so that I can ask Jeff some questions... and understand the
> answers.
>
> In using X10, I will have saved substantial money over using Z-wave... and
> have enough money to buy test signal strenth meter should I start to have
> problems for troubleshooting. The Monterey power line signal analyzer - is
> that what you referred to in another thread? I do prefer a digital readout
> to see real values. I don't need on yet but I'm looking for something to
buy
> down the road.
>
> Tom
>
>