Re: N:Vision CFL's

[Marc_F_Hult <MFHult@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:47:52 -0400, "Robert Green"
<ROBERT_GREEN1963@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
<G5OdnRJCR47AiJXbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@xxxxxxx>:

>"Marc_F_Hult" <MFHult@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >They're completely over-used, IMHO, by folks too lazy to create an HTML
>> >page.
>>
>> ROTFL
>>
>> The great preponderance of moderately complex documents prepared for
>public
>> distribution are in pdf in my experience.
>
>That state exists simply because Adobe worked hard for that to happen.  It's
>the same sort of reason we're stuck with Windows.  "In wide use" doesn't
>mean "excellent" of even "good" by default.  Adobe profits wildly from this
>since they happen to own the technology.  That's antithetical to the spirit
>of the web, at least in IMHO.  It's also not display device-independent, a
>major feature of the web that PDF's, at least IMHO, violate outrageously.
>
>> Why don't you proclaim "Y'all are too lazy" at a public meeting?
>
>Personal jibe.  Unwelcome as all of them.  Read the actual text.

Read the actual text?? The actual text is:

	"They're completely over-used, IMHO, by folks too lazy to
	create an HTML page"

>It's not laziness, it's security and usability,

Robert: Now you are arguing with yourself, not me. What you wrote is
unambiguous.

>but you never miss a chance to hit
>below the belt and accuse someone of something if there's the slightest
>opportunity, do you Marc?

Wow. Responding to your calling me and a bajillion  other people "lazy"  is
"below the belt".

I simply respond to the English words that you write.

>> That, as you say, would make their "jaws drop".
>
>Perhaps you're blessed with perfect vision.  Those who are not find PDFs far
>more troublesome than you do because they are typically NOT device
>independent but are designed for PRINTING on an 8.5 by 11" page.

Wow. I am legally blind without my glasses and have large monitors to help me
with using the computers which includes making pdfs. In  many circumstances,
they are absolutely the very best solution available.

One of my hats is Chairman of an county-wide elected Board. We publish a
newsletter that we are very proud of. It is available for download on our web
site, we mail out a couple of thousand hard copies to people who ask for it,
and because it is pdf, can also easily print it one-off if requested.

If you wanted our newsletter expanded so that each page is 11x17 instead of
8-1/2 x 11, we would eagerly and immediately do so. We can do that
_*BECAUSE*_ it is a pdf.

We do NOT use pdf because we are lazy, and if came to one of the 24 public
meeting each year of our Board and tri-county EXCOMs over which I typically
preside and said so, you would ....[grumble, mumble...]

As a government entity we comply with the letter and spirit of all open
meeting and disabilities acts and other important interactions with voters
and residents including children and adults.

You on the other hand seem not to actually have any public responsibilities
and instead take endless potshots at those who do.

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You really are outta control.

Get some sleep. Having puppies should be fun. Sounds like they have you
frazzled

Take Care ... Marc (really)
Marc_F_hult
www.ECOntrol.org