Re: A question or two about WGL's V572A

[nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Dave Houston)]

Given that someone has chosen (anonymosly) to quote this bullshit, I guess I
must respond once again.

There was _no_ design input from anybody in CHA (and this lying SOB cannot
reference a single message to support his lies). After I announced it and
sent beta boards (sans BX-24 chips) to three beta testers, one (John Jones)
provided some excellent feedback. One other beta tester never had anything
to say until long after the beta period, and the third got too busy with a
real world project to offer much feedback.

Nobody in North America _EVER_ sold kits for the BX24-AHT. Initially, my
grandson sold bare boards and listed Laipac (Canada) as a source for RF
receivers. Neither my grandson nor my son ever sold any other components for
the BX24-AHT.

Laipac had a $25 minimum (plus S&H) so, when people complained, I first
asked Reynolds Electronics, who sells a 433MHz version of the receiver, to
stock the 315MHz version. They agreed - if someone would guarantee them 1000
units. I found the Taiwanese manufacturer and my grandson started selling
310MHz receivers for $7.50 (a $2.50 markup).

Laser bought bare boards from my grandson (10% markup), bought 433MHz
receivers from LaiPac, bought BX-24's from Peter Anderson and all of the
other components came from Mouser as it was easier for them to do that than
try to cross reference the P/N list and buy from Maplin or some other
European source. They assembled the units and sold them pretty much at their
cost (they had to pay a 17% VAT) because they have always had an interest in
advancing HA in general. I think they sold all twenty.

The FCC puts the burden on the manufacturer and/or dealer. It is illegal to
sell Part 15 devices like these that have not undergone prescribed tests in
FCC accredited labs. Europe puts the burden on the user. It's legal to sell
things like this there as long as the dealer says it is "not for use in EU
countries."

As best I recall, Laser sold 2 assembled units to N. America. AFAIK, those
sales violated no rules either in Europe or in N. America. In any case, I
had no invovlement. I sold nothing to Laser (nor to anyone, anywhere) and I
received no money from Laser (nor anyone, anywhere).

When I announced the BX24-AHT, I made it plain that it would never be a
commercial product and that it was primarily intended to be a demonstration
project and, secondarily, to help Peter Anderson sell more BX-24 chips. I
repeated that several times whenever anyone whined that they wanted to buy
it assembled.

Those who approached me with a request to build it and market it, were told
that I doubted the market would return the cost of FCC testing but if they
wanted to do the FCC testing I would give them any details they needed.

WGL decided to sell a similar device without testing and even tried to
persuade Laser to handle it while boasting that they "were not worried by
FCC rules". Kwong Li, who happens to be a licensed ham, told him "No."

Anyone who wishes can try the URL that Hult gave (www.laser.com/houston/).
They will get "Not Found - The requested URL /houston/ was not found on this
server."

Now, if people will stop quoting the lies of Hult and (b)ASS, I'll stop
defending myself against them.

nobody@xxxxxxx wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 15:32:47 GMT, MFHult@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:14:09 GMT, nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Dave Houston) wrote
>>in message  <4312df18.395161062@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

>>>I have _never_ recommended any illegal device.
>>>
>>Dave designed (with input from comp.home.automation discussions) built,
>>marketed, and recommended the BX24-AHT which, as he notes, did not have FCC
>>certification.
>>
>>Unassembled kits ("home built") units apparently do not require FCC
>>certification. His son and grandson set up a web store to sell BX24-AHT
>>parts in the US.
>>
>>The company that then (as now) hosted Dave's web site at
>>wwww.laser.com/houston/ sold assembled units worldwide including the US.
>>Dave posted prominently on his web site that the devices were available
>>from www.laser.com.
>>
>>So Dave recommended a device (the BX24-AHT). In my inexpert personal
>>opinion, depending on which avenue any given consumer chose for purchasing
>>Dave's device (unassembled or assembled), the device obtained was either
>>legal or illegal for use in the US.
>>
>>Marc
>>Marc_F_Hult
>>www.ECOntrol.com
>
>
>Been gone from the forum for a while and come back to see Dave is
>still bitching about WGL and FCC certification.