Re: Same old...

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"Robert Green" <ROBERT_GREEN1963@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Guy Lavoie" <guy@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>
>>  I  see that the same group of people throwing around the same
>> old insults at each other are still making it as unpleasant as it was
>>  last year.
>
> Yes, Guy, you're quite right. I'm afraid that CHA is a much less friendly
> place than it used to be.  The sad part is that it's primarily due to the
> antics of just *ONE* particularly paranoid and probably psychotic poster
> who
> believes that he's on a sacred crusade.  The sad part is, as Bruce R
> noted,
> GM doesn't realize he seems to be acting out some deeply homoerotic crush
> on
> another man.  For a long time, I was in total agreement with your
> philosophy
> that twit filtering such a person was the only way to go on Usenet.  These
> people thrive on attention.  Because of that, in most cases, I still
> believe
> that filtering is the proper solution; that is until this group became
> infected with its resident harpy.
>
>> Although some people seem to be making honest appeals to
>> reason for it to stop,
>
> At some point people have to re-state the obvious and tell creeps that
> they
> are creepy and to go away.  The problem with ignoring malcontents is that
> some fools believe that if you don't challenge an assertion that the sky
> is
> green, then it really must be green.  Ignoring these hard-core haters
> simply
> does not work because they've adjusted their wacky world view to believe
> that silence is actually agreement with their position.
>
>> they must also realize that the type of bickering that keeps
>> going is precisely the type that looks for an audience
>
> You've accurately identified the conundrum.  What we need to do now is to
> accurately identify the solution.  What *does* a group do when "DO NOT
> FEED
> THE TROLLS" doesn't seem to have any effect on the mountains of manure one
> misanthropic man insists on shoveling into the group?  Do we just let the
> heathen rage until they've run out of rants?  How many people do we allow
> him to drive off before anything is done about it?  Waiting out a
> malicious
> person bent on destruction of the group doesn't seem to be as credible a
> strategy as it once did.
>
> The problem I see with the "ignore him" approach is that newbies, which
> every group needs to stay healthy and vital, are the ones most exposed to
> the caustic drivel.  They, like you, take one look around at the juvenile
> name-calling and skiddadle.
>
>> and as I said last year, I'm not willing to be that audience.
>
> I'm sorry, Guy, but that seems to be like you're willing to give into the
> terrorists.  I just can't believe that's a good solution.  I'm hoping that
> we can figure out how to get the PROBLEM to leave, not the valuable
> posters
> like you.  You've got great problem solving skills, at least based on what
> you've written about Ocelots, etc. Why not apply those skills to this
> group
> as if GM's rants were merely a technical transmission issue, to be dealt
> with as dispassionately as if he were a leaky capacitor or an intermittent
> contact?
>
> I'm just afraid that by telling us you're unwilling to stay you're
> actually
> making the situation worse by empowering people like GM.  Your actions
> tell
> him that you're willing to change YOUR behavior to suit HIM.  That's never
> a
> good idea when dealing with terrorists, and that's exactly what we have
> here:  Terrorism.
>
> GM WANTS people to modify their behavior because of his actions.  This
> forum
> is probably the only place in the world where he can feel like he is "in
> control" of something.  He hopes to get people to do what he wants them to
> do under threat of posting yet more vile and inane garbage.  How will your
> leaving for another year (thereby tacitly acknowledging that he was
> powerful
> enough to cause you to leave) help out CHA?
>
>> I guess I'll wait yet another year and check back in to see
>> if it goes away by then. In the meantime, back to the forums...
>
> Don't you feel badly that the creepy, antisocial behavior of a very few
> people (actually only one) has driven you away from a place where you once
> were daily readers and a vibrant contributor?  That's how I feel and why I
> am determined to speak up.  In fact, I believe the behavior that we
> witness
> here from GM is very, very close to criminal. With many of the states
> passing cyberstalking laws, eventually posters like GM will be thrown in
> jail.  Until that happens, we have to work out our own solution.
>
> Guy, you're obviously a problem solver, at least based on your posts I've
> read in Google.  Do you really believe the best way to deal with this
> "noise" problem to "wait it out?"  Would you "wait out" an X-10
> transmission
> problem?  Probably not.  You'd try to figure out what it took to end the
> transmission interference.
>
> The CHA situation's not much different.  We've got a noisemaker on line
> that's bringing down the functionality of the entire group.  Please put
> your
> engineering hat on and help us figure out how to solve the problem!  It's
> trite, but true:  It is better to light a single candle than to curse the
> darkness.
>
> --
> Bobby G.


Mike Said:
FILTERS WERE MADE JUST FOR YOU & BASS.