Re: The MM & Jiminex show (was: Bass...)

["Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

Ethan Winer wrote:
> Jim,
>
> > you just don't seem to be able to grasp the situation. Therefore,
since
> you refuse to stop cross posting ... Your comment seems to prove the
fact
> that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. <
>
> The reason I cross-post is so groups that carry one part of this
thread will
> carry all parts. At least all parts I contribute. If some groups get
only
> some of the messages, it presents an incomplete picture for lurkers.
>
> Jim, I decided to take your suggestion at face value and investigate
> further. All I know of Robert Bass is that he's one of the most
helpful guys
> around. I have never seen him steer people toward his company even
though he
> has plenty of opportunity. But on the off-chance that you are right,
and
> that I'm missing something important, I just downloaded all the
messages in
> comp.home.automation and read back to April 1, 2005. Here's what I
found:
>
> Robert Bass made 24 separate posts that ranged from moderately
helpful (a
> brief one-sentence answer) to well above the call with detailed
explanations
> and advice. In one post Robert even helped someone who was having
trouble
> getting support from another dealer.
>
> In contrast, Group Moderator made 25 posts that offered nothing of
value,
> and most of them were unprovoked attacks against Robert including the
one
> that started this thread. In fairness, Group Moderator made one
helpful post
> in the Sound Activated Switch thread, but he added a sarcastic remark
that
> was inappropriate and unrelated.
>
> So there you have it. From the perspective of an unbiased bystander,
I see
> nothing but helpful posts from Robert. He's often the first to post
an
> answer. But from Group Moderator I see nothing but intentional
trouble
> making save for one helpful if brief contribution.
>
> Jim, if you - or anyone else here for that matter - still feel I'm
missing
> something important, I ask that you email me privately through my web
site
> ethanwiner dot com. I will be glad to listen to anything reasonable,
but I
> expect to see a real name and legitimate return email address so I
know who
> I'm talking to. Otherwise, I stand by my assessment that Robert Bass
is
> exactly the helpful person he appears, and all of his detractors are
merely
> looking to make trouble. Since GM has started so many new threads
over the
> past year with the sole purpose of attacking Robert, I have to assume
he's a
> jealous competitor. Why else would he make it his mission to attack
Robert?
>
> --Ethan

Ethan, Again, You are putting this out into a number of groups where
only one (ASA) should be the recipiant. There is no reason whatsoever
that CHA, Home theater, ( by the way, I commend the participants there
for not perpetuating this by cross posting) or any other groups that my
be appended to your replies.

However, to answer your post, there is no one in ASA that gives a hoot
as to what Bass has done in CHA. As I've said, he's obviouly learned
his lesson in ASA and the other groups that he's been the cause of
destruction, and is treating everyone in CHA with the respect that he
SHOULD HAVE used in ASA.

Years ago, he began his trip in ASA with the same attitude that got him
thrown out of the aviation group. He had yet to learn that there are
people who have just as much resolve as he, and were not just going to
sit placidly by while he insulted anyone at his whim. Now, if he were
to back down in ASA and do what he's finally learned is the proper
conduct, he'd look as stupid as he really is. His super ego wont let
him do that. So, it looks like ASA will stay the way it is. You can
feel fortunate that there were and are people that will not accept the
behavior of people like him and who have caused him to keep your group
clean, or suffer the consequences he does in ASA. In ASA he will never,
EVER be able to conduct normal conversations and will be the brunt of,
and have returned, every insult and aspersion he has cast on others
through the years. Until he stops, the turmoil will continue.

You're comparison to what he's done is CHA is your experience with him.
So if you don't compare that to what he's done TO ASA, you have no
accurate basis to tell anyone in ASA that he's really an "alright kinda
guy"  The very fact that you and I are having this conversation offers
some indication that something is amiss. I'll ask you again, how can it
be that a group of individuals, ranging back almost 10 years have all
coincidently focused on Robert Bass as being a nasty rotten individual?
Can you cite one other individual who you know, that can make that
claim?  What can it be? How can this happen if there isn't at least
SOME basis of truth?

You talk about competitors. I don't compete with Bass, I don't have one
single thing to sell here. I own my own business of installing home
systems and have been in this industry for over 35 years. His customers
aren't my customers and even if they were, we live in compeletly
different parts of the county. HE's The one who takes it to the level
of compitition by making comments about how installers are stupid
idiots, that any monkey can install an alarm. That end users can
install alarms systems better than most installers. What would you do
if someone disparaged YOUR profession simply to prove to a customer
that they should buy from them? Would you just sit there while some one
did this time after time ......... over and over again? And on top of
that berated you if you dared defend yourself by saying that you were a
trouble maker and were disrupting the group? Well ....... that's
exactly what you have here. He's done this consistantly through the
years in ASA. And that's only the BEGINNING! What has resuled from his
conduct has ecalated to what ASA has become. He is the reason. He is
the cause of the conditions of ASA.

In CHA, I'd doubt that there are any people who sell equipment, so that
would be a good reason for your placidity. It's Bass who takes it to
the next level and castigates anyone he deems a threat or competion or
argues with him.

Ethan, your experiences are your experiences, but they are not in any
way any comparison to what Bass has done in ASA. Therefore it you have
absolutely no credence to anyone here. We KNOW what he's done here.

So, ONCE MORE ...... I'll say, End the cross posting. You live in your
group and I'll live in mine. Be grateful that I and the rest of Bass's
opposition in ASA is the reason that you can have the peace that you
have in your group.