Re: 3G radios/CDMA sunset

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 8:16:13 AM UTC-5, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 9/14/2019 1:11 AM, Hogan wrote:
> > Well, I did a little studying and research, as I had figured that there=
 was a lot of smoke/mirrors involved as well as hype in regards to the comi=
ng 5G.
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> > 1. Yes, 3G is going away and Verizon's date is end of December, 2022; w=
hile ATT's date appears to be early 2022. Now this is only for existing rad=
ios already online, not new radios.
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> > 2. There are billions of dollars involved here for the selling of the n=
ew technology hardware, and there is also of lot of false end dates perpetr=
ated in order to sell, sell, sell new hardware.
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> > 3. 5G will arrive to the masses someday, but not as fast as it has been=
 portrayed by persons who are in the business of selling.
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> > 4. Verizon is the only carrier that actually has 5G deployed and that i=
s in -2- cities in the US. Yes, 2 whole cities, and only in certain areas o=
f those cities.
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> > 5. 4G LTE phones will not work on 5G. 5G phones are to be backward comp=
atible since it is going to take a lot of time (as in many years) and money=
 to completely switch to 5G. So, for those who think that they are insured =
by going to LTE, are mistaken.
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> > 6. 2G is still existing for specific devices and uses, so 3G in some fo=
rm will still be in use also past "the date", again for specific devices.
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> > 7. There is a new company who has spent a lot of money developing a dev=
ice that plugs into an outlet, which converts the 3G signals of the premise=
 radio into 4G signals out to the 'Expanse'. A converter! Not a well known =
fact as there is a lot less money involved for the 'End of the 3G World' pe=
ddler folks. And yes, it is made for alarm panels. The technology is 3G to =
4G conversion. It is kind of like taking AM radio signals and just converti=
ng them to FM. Now everyone knows that AM to FM conversion is not rocket sc=
ience. Well neither is 3G to 4G. There is just a lot of licensing and fees =
and time involved. A company called Cellbounce at cellbounce.com is doing j=
ust that. Rather than give you more facts, just go there and read it for yo=
urself.
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> > The founder is Mike Lamb who came up with Street Smart. He made 175 Wir=
eless products for Honeywell in Security and HVAC; Founder of Secure Wirele=
ss and Advanced Bridging Technologies. Designed over 250 wireless products =
for DSC/Tyco, GE, UTC, 2GIG, Nortek, Vivint. Founded Ecolink and designed p=
roducts for Comcast, RING, Pella, and has 27 Patents.
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> > I'd say he probably knows what he is doing...
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> > 8. Alula is claiming that their newest radios will be able to 'evolve' =
without having to buy some newer technology at a yet further date in the fu=
ture. That is what I was told in a telephone conversation with someone very=
 high up in the company. That will need much further evaluation and investi=
gating.
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> > The moral of the story is this, I am not jumping on any bandwagon quick=
ly, so that I can rationally assess all of the available options based on r=
eal technical information, devoid of sales' lines and tactics.
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> > Shoot, I had chosen CDMA radios some years ago, as I mistakenly assumed=
 that CDMA-Code Division Multiple Access, would be impervious to end-of-lif=
e obsoletion.
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> > Anyone have any further information or available solutions?
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> Hogan,
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> Thanks for the extra input.
> Concerning the CellBounce stuff that is not a reality (as yet??)
> I wonder if it is just a lot of smoke and mirrors as well.
> Like this link.
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> https://mrprolock.com/cellbounce-solves-massive-3g-cdma-sunset-problem-fo=
r-alarm-industry/cellbounce-solves-massive-3g-cdma-sunset-problem-for-alarm=
-industry-2/
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> Click on the picture and be sure to read the fine print.  LOL
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> I realize that it may be a bit early on this CellBounce thingie.
> It would be great (maybe) if it will be a reality.
> The first question will be; At what price??
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> Then if one group has supposedly figured out how to do it there
> will be others that will claim the same and muddy the waters.
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> Then the other consideration is that it appears to be a just
> plug it in device.  (Consumer Ready Install)  Was noted some
> where it is to have battery backup.  What would be reasonable
> for the battery life??  How big a battery which has to do with
> the overall physical size of the wall wort.
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> Then where to place it on the property that will give good cell
> connection!!  Basement -- 1st Floor -- 2nd Floor -- Attic -- Antennas
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> Till it is all said and done, it might be better to just change
> out the existing to a 4G/LTE and be done with it.
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> Just my two cents (at this point)  And it is early.................
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> Later,
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> Les

It would add another point of potential failure, still might be interesting=
 and I'd think not that hard to implement