Re: Radioncs 9112 lockcode

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On Sunday, October 8, 2006 at 3:48:21 PM UTC-4, Roland Moore wrote:
> >Do they actually give you the back door code in class, or just tell you
> that it exists?
> They do actually give the codes and positions in RPS class. Then they say
> "you might think you saw the codes here but you actually didn't". It is not
> as simple as a single entry either. You know there is a difference in the
> data lock code and the position it occupies in the data lock field as to how
> it works (since there are 50 entries), you know the reprogramming and non
> reprogramming deal.
> > Personally, I think if the customer owns the panel, then any Bosch dealer
> > should be able to default it and reprogram it.  Bosch disagrees.
> I think there are many folks at Bosch that agree with you that it is your
> panel and you should be able to default it. Perhaps that is why the
> information "leaks" out and Bosch doesn't put the hammer down to stop it. So
> armed with that knowledge you could take over an account but in our state
> there is some rule now (or in the works shortly) that you can't lock in a
> customer. If a customer wants to change I say let them go and now the state
> does too! Most of the time I am itching to get rid of a customer more than
> they are me, I guess I enjoy "firing" a customer in some perverse way,
> mostly it is seeing the shocked look on their face. I guess ADT has their
> lawyers give you a call to tell you how much time you have left on your
> contract. Some customers you can never seem to get rid of. There is one guy
> we thought we got rid of. He went to eight alarm companies and then came
> back. Good customers are getting harder to find. I guess that is why we do
> mostly large commercial stuff.
> I have never experienced a dead lithium battery in a panel yet so I have not
> brushed up against that problem. (Or maybe I have and just too stupid to
> realize it and thought it was a bad panel). The only dead lithum battery I
> have found was in a D5200 and like an idiot I sent it back to find that out
> because I never thought to check it before I sent it back for repair. The
> symptoms were a screen full of ZZZZZZs when it powered up.
> You are correct that datalock was originally developed at the requerst of
> larger national account type customers. ADT despite everything is still the
> number one volume customer for Bosch.
>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:6765fc125f77a15aa8563d24ca2c0d67@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Roland Moore said:
> >
> >>If you've been to RPS class they tell you about the unlock code. It is not
> >>a
> >>secret. The bad guys already know about it. I didn't say what the code was
> >>or where to put it or fully explain the process. Why not let the good guys
> >>that don't know about it yet find out. Once they know it exists they can
> >>go
> >>through proper channels to find out the particulars if they need to unlock
> >>a
> >>panel. If they're the bad guy they'll keep guessing. Bosch panels end up
> >>in
> >>some pretty high security areas. If you've data locked a panel and think
> >>it
> >>is bullet-proof I think it is important to know that there is a way to
> >>defeat it. I just explained that there is a hole in the data lock feature
> >>and how it came to be. You might rely too much on data lock when you
> >>should
> >>actually do more to protect the panel and its data from attack
> >
> > I've never felt the need to go to an RPS class, since I've been using RAM
> > since before it had Roman numerals.  Do they actually give you the back
> > door code in class, or just tell you that it exists?
> >
> > Datalock was never intended as a way to keep bad guys out of programming.
> > It was developed at the request of the big alarm companies, who wanted to
> > prevent their smaller competitors from reprogramming their panels.  This
> > is
> > why there is no way to use a 5200 to restore a panel to the factory
> > defaults if the lock code is unknown:  that feature would allow one alarm
> > company to take over another alarm company's panel.
> >
> > Personally, I think if the customer owns the panel, then any Bosch dealer
> > should be able to default it and reprogram it.  Bosch disagrees.  But what
> > really pisses me off is that if the lithium battery in a panel dies, and
> > AC
> > and main battery are disconnected, the panel cannot be reprogrammed by
> > anyone except the Bosch factory.  I'm locked out of panels that I paid
> > for!
> > And I have to pay Bosch an extortion fee to get them fixed.  It's doubly
> > bad, since in some of the panels, the lithium battery is soldered into the
> > board, and changing it is no easy matter.  Preventive maintenance is not
> > an
> > option.
> >
> > - badenov
> >

Do you know what the master code is?