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Re: I singed up for Obamacare!



"Bob La Londe" <none@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "G. Morgan" <graham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Bob La Londe Wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"G. Morgan" <graham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> Bob La Londe Wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"JoeRaisin" <joeraisin2001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>>> On 12/14/2013 1:38 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>>> Have you thought about this.... One of the founding principals of
>>>>>>> America was that we wouldn't have the debtors prisons of Europe.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> can not be thrown in jail for owing money you can't pay... but you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> be thrown in jail for tax evasion.  So what if you still can't
>>>>>>> afford
>>>>>>> health insurance and you can't afford to pay the fine (that the
>>>>>>> Supreme
>>>>>>> court has said is a tax).  What are your choices?  Federal prison
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> tax evasion or indentured servitude to the federal government?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heck, even if they don't put folks in jail, they will still be able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> create a whole bunch of new felons - felons who cannot own
>>>>>> firearms...
>>>>>
>>>>>I considered that too.  It also reduces the jobs open to a person.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree this is a potential outcome, but far from being a realistic
>>>> one.
>>>> I know a guy that has owed the IRS over $100K for longer than 18 years.
>>>> There has never been a threat by them to criminalize the debt.  He
>>>> explained to me the difference between not paying and actual "evasion"
>>>> once, but I don't remember offhand and I don't want to throw out an
>>>> incorrect explanation.  It had something to do with "evasion" being the
>>>> intent of hiding from them (either on paper or physically).
>>>
>>>I heard similar arguments when I was 4 years old about gun control in
>>>general.  Many of the things people told me would never happen because
>>>the
>>>American people wouldn't stand for it are happening.
>>>
>>>Want to have some fun being paranoid look up glass roads and solar
>>>projects.
>>>For current technology its not practical, but it's foreseeable.  Now
>>>extrapolate from that.  An electrical grid made of the nations roads and
>>>highways.  Electric cars being charged by induction directly off the
>>>grid.
>>>Real time reporting of electrical usage to be directly debited from your
>>>bank account.  Since, driving on public roads has already been deemed a
>>>privilege and not a right then what legal precedent is there to prevent
>>>that
>>>from being used for total tracking of all vehicular movement of every
>>>vehicle in America?
>>>
>>>Anyway, I think you are being a bit naïve if you don't think that gun
>>>grabbers and power mongers aren't thinking that way.
>>
>>
>> I think you're making a huge leap from not paying a fine to tax evasion
>> to felony charges in a giant conspiracy to disarm citizens.   If the gun
>> grabbers would get their way (and they won't), they could come up with
>> something better than filing felony charges on the masses and lock
>> everyone up for not paying a healthcare tax fine.  But... maybe that's
>> what those FEMA camps are for?
>
> I think it was a huge leap from the NFA of 1968 to the Brady Act which
> basically records every purchaser from an FFL remotely prior to the sale,
> but it laid the ground work for national gun control laws.
>
> Does that progression of gun control laws bother you?  How about 49cc
> motors then?  Basically 49CC motors were totally unregulated for a very
> long time. In many states no license, registration or insurance were
> required for vehicles using them, and they were specifically exempted from
> federal regulation.  Now, they vary from state to state, but in general
> that is no longer the case.  Run a 2 stroke in Ca and the CARB gestapo
> will kick down your door.  LOL.  Even in Az they have carefully eaten that
> away and the morass of statutes is hard to wade through, but they changed
> it from 49 to 48, and the vehicle can not exceed 18mph.
>
> You believe what you like.  It may take a year or it may take 40 years,
> but that is the progression.  If this avenue is closed another one will be
> opened.  Personal tracking of everybody and everything with out
> possibility of revolt is the ultimate goal.

P.S.  I was 4 years old in 1970 sitting at the counter in the family diner
listening to the grown ups talk when I predicted something like the Brady
Act or worse was the natural progression...






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