Re: DSC 1555MX and PC1616 in alarm

[tourman <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mar 11, 7:40=A0pm, "E DAWSON" <edaw...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:07:57 PM UTC-4, E DAWSON wrote:
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> >> > On Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:03:35 PM UTC-4, E DAWSON wrote:
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> >> >> First time posting ever.
> >> >> I have 1555MX & PC1616 both in alarm state.
> >> >> Prior owners lost home to bank...no codes available.
> >> >> Is there any way to recover them?
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> >> >> Thanks so much for any help.
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> >> > nope need to default and reprogram panels
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> >> Both boards have installer lockout enabled.
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> > your shit out of luck either replace boards or use a service like Jim
> > Rojas =A0provides which unlocks themwww.tech-man.com
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> Thanks for trying and sorry you could not help me.
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> Is there a way to log into a DSC when it is in alarm using software? I do
> know how to get into GE Networx in any armed state using software without
> knowing any codes at all. I am looking for information from someone who
> knows specifically about DSC and has had much experience with those board=
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> Thanks again.

RHC: Bottom line, the 1555 can easily be unlocked by someone who does
that (Jim Rojas, myself, or Action Jackson in Vancouver, Canada).  It
will need to be disarmed first before it can be defaulted though, but
this is easy to do if you are into doing this sort of thing. I default
dozens of DSC and Paradox panels every month for local alarm companies
and individual homeowners. You can dial in to either of these panels,
and get in provided you know the PC code in the panel. Some companies
leave it at default, but anyone who is going to the trouble to lock
the board likely knows not to do that...

The 1616, 1832 and 1864 series of panels are another matter
altogether. The bastards at DSC have deliberately engineered things
such that it is at the moment, impossible to unlock. And the reason
why they have done that has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the
lockout feature or not; it's simply done for monetary reasons. For
every board that Jim or I unlock, that is one less board they
sell....it's always money before ethics, and especially so for some
companies like DSC !!!

A very strong case can be made for eliminating this lockout feature
altogether from alarm boards since it serves NO legitimate purpose
today. It was originally brought in to allow the "free system"
marketeers some freedom from other companies "raiding" their accounts.
In order to steal the account, the new company would have to replace
the board, which, back in those days, was quite expensive. However,
today, with boards being about $50 each wholesale replacement, it
serves absolutely no purpose....unless you're one of those scumbag
companies that deliberately sabotage boards to force homeowners to
come back to the original company, or you are one of those same low
life companies that simply do this to get back at another incoming
company.

More often than not, it simply serves to discourage any new homeowner
from using the board in "local" mode (minus monitoring), since it
cannot normally be defaulted without the assistance of the original
company who in turn won't assist unless the new client signs on to one
of their atrocious, overpriced contracts.

Bottom line, it's like someone selling you a used car with a non
removeable padlock on the hood...holding you hostage to them for
service !! It should be illegal frankly, but that's not likely to
happen with all the other bad things going on in life and business....

There is a lesson here for potential buyers of alarm systems though.
Get it in writing in the contract that the board will remain unlocked
from the start. Unlocking it at the end of the contract is NOT
satisfactory, since a lot of smaller companies simply disappear, or
get sold to another larger conglomerate who may not even know it is
locked.

Either way, as this homeowner is finding out, you're screwed !