Re: Any skilled residential installers in New River, AZ area?

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Jan 22, 10:59=A0am, Robert Macy <robert.a.m...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 5:56=A0pm, JoeRaisin <joeraisin2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On 1/21/2012 4:38 PM, Just Looking wrote:
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> > >> Not sure why you think I would not "...even recognize..." a skilled
> > >> installer, though.
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> > > A skilled installer would generally migrate to a higher paid position=
. I
> > > always think of residential installers in the alarm trade as being at
> > > the lower end of the skill spectrum. Even companies like ADT manage
> > > their sales and installations staff in a tiered fashion of compensati=
on
> > > where residential is at the bottom of the food chain. When I think of=
 a
> > > skilled CCTV installer I think of one that could not only install but
> > > configure many types of CCTV systems; like ones with hosted video
> > > recording and a different CIF and frame rate not only for each camera=
,
> > > but each storage "bucket". The installer could calculate the necessar=
y
> > > retention time for a NAS or SAN and configure same into an network. T=
he
> > > installer would recognize and be able to configure a layer 2 or 3 swi=
tch
> > > or carve out his own VLAN. The installer would be able to set up
> > > analytics on each camera or encoder or separate analytics server,
> > > including all inputs, outputs for any metadata, not to mention linkin=
g
> > > the video to the access control system or POS system.
> > > What you seem to be looking for is not a skilled installer and probab=
ly
> > > would not have need of one if your market target is 4 residential cam=
eras.
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> > Ya know, that's one of the thing about this industry that sort of ticks
> > me off.
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> > There's more to skill than being able to program
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> > When it comes to running/fishing wire, at least, IMHO residential
> > requires much more skill... well... for those that aren't hacks.
> > Problem is, the guys that prove they give a shit end up doing commercia=
l
> > and the new guys are on the resi jobs stapling the keypad wire down the
> > wall and drilling straight down through the baseboard.
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> > I know guys who can make a dvr or card access panel dance a friggin
> > rumba while integrating everything with the fire and BA - but they
> > couldn't run a wire between their elbow and their shoulder without it
> > looking like holy crap.
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> > Too much of the resi market is slapping up wireless with double sided
> > tape and pluggin the Lynx into the phone jack so they can get out of
> > there and go screw up someone else's drywall.
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> > Where I am now, we haven't done any resi (tho that may change) but the
> > last place had the policy that if it looked like a fish was gonna take
> > more than ten or twenty minutes, go wireless.
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> > At the satellite place, they didn't want us to fish anything.
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> > That just takes a lot of the fun and challenge out of the job - I know,
> > my way takes a lot of the money out of it. =A0But if I had been anythin=
g
> > other than an abject failure at drumming up work, that's how I would
> > have done it.
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> > To me - nothing better than a clean install - and that, imho, takes ski=
ll.
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> EXACTLY!
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> And, THAT is the skill set I'm looking for!
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> I can connect. I can program. I can set it up. I can even envision how
> to install, but the 'mechanics' [to me] to do it right, require a lot
> of SKILL.-

Exactly.

However, I think it would be pretty rare to find a Satillite TV
installer that would know not to drill into and mount a CCTV camera on
stucco. My guess is that they mount their dishes on it "all the time".
Not because they know it will work ...... but..... by their
reasoning .....  because it hasn't worked too few times, so it's
acceptable.

If YOU don't know and THEY don't know the risks ..... and it
works ..... you're both happy. If it doesn't work ..... YOU'RE the
only one who's "unhappy" cuz the problem is not likely going to show
up, for a long time afterwards.

When I see the poor quality workmanship on some takeover jobs I always
wonder how a client could live with it. Wires stapled along window
molding. Crooked keypads and door and window contacts. And then, of
course, there's all the unprofessional workmanship that the client
CAN'T see, behind the walls and in attics and basements. But, the
client very, very rarely actually knows what is acceptable and what is
not, so they just think that everyone would need to do this to their
home and that they have to live with it as a sacrafice to have the
security system installed. How is one to judge if they haven't been
able to compare?