Re: Need to cut through the BS on Alarm monitoring costs

[tourman <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Feb 7, 7:54=A0pm, blueman <NOS...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > On Feb 7, 11:58=A0am, blueman <NOS...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >> > On Feb 5, 9:30=A0am, Robert Macy <robert.a.m...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> On Feb 4, 10:05=A0pm, blueman <NOS...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> ...snip...
> >> Personally, I would agree that crimp connections are certainly faster
> >> and most likely as reliable as solder if done correctly. Solder
> >> connections also are harder to do and take more skill. Hence since tim=
e
> >> is money and the average installer has barely a high school degree and
> >> some minimal technical training, it makes sense to use some type of
> >> connector.
>
> > RHC: Sir, it has nothing to do with anyone's level of education.
>
> I agree it's not about degrees. It's about training - teaching good
> soldering skills and maintaining good QC is harder than teaching
> crimping. I'm sorry if I wasn't more clear.
>
> > You seem to have some sort of chip on your shoulder relative to the
> > people in our trade.
>
> I didn't have the slightest chip on my shoulder until I started getting
> attacked for asking honest questions about a real situation. If people
> are going to lie about me, call me names, slander/disparage all low cost
> providers then yeah I will naturally develop a small chip on my shoulder
> against such installers that thus reflect poorly on your vaunted industry=
.
>
> In particular, I have something against the people on here who
> (a) Accused me of lying about having the RemoteLink program
> (b) Accused me of being a 'troll' for asking an innocent and relevant
> =A0 =A0 question regarding the pros/cons and pricing of local vs. nationa=
l
> =A0 =A0 monitoring services
> (c) Assumed I couldn't possibly be capable of the basic vocational
> =A0 =A0 school level of electrical wiring and panel programming, let alon=
e
> =A0 =A0 be able to reverse engineer and emulate the DMP protocols
> (d))Cast apsersions on national monitoring companies based on 'scare'
> =A0 =A0 stories and anecdotes
> (e) Took a general condescending attitude towards anybody not in the
> =A0 =A0 brotherhood of alarm installers
> (f) Made wildly ridiculous and provably false claims about the number of
> =A0 =A0 posts I have made (hey what's more than 4 orders of magnitue betw=
een
> =A0 =A0 friends)
>
> I have no issue with
> (a) People like you who have been balanced and helpful (other than your
> =A0 =A0 ridiculous claim about the number of posts)
>
> (b) Companies that charge however much they want to charge provided they
> =A0 =A0 don't make false claims disparaging low costproviders and are hon=
est
> =A0 =A0 that they are charging up to 400-500% more than monitoring compan=
ies
> =A0 =A0 primarily because they can get away with it since the average
> =A0 =A0 customer either lacks the skills to take care of his system or is
> =A0 =A0 too lazy to price compare. Hey, I support capitalism. =A0average
> =A0 =A0 person without technical skills may have no other choice. Several
> =A0 =A0 responders were exactly so honest and I respect them for their
> =A0 =A0 ability to extract premium pricing for what is basically a commod=
ity
> =A0 =A0 service.
>
> > It is a simple matter of the fact that approved B crimp
> > connectors are widely in use in the industry and 100% reliable as long
> > as the wires are never nicked in the process.
>
> I never disagreed with that. Why are you finding arguments where none
> exist?
>
> > I don't know anything about this company you speak of;
>
> The company's name is American Alarm. Look it up. Give them a call. They
> are the largest and most premium provider in Massachusetts.
>
> > however, if in fact they are soldering every connection, they are
> > widely wasting their time for little or no benefit. Plus in some of
> > the areas where we typically have to work, a hot soldering iron would
> > be a fire hazard in the extreme. Why would any company risk setting a
> > fire for no real gain. =A0It sounds to me as if the management of this
> > company are stuck somewhere in the 1960's....
>
> I don't disagree. I was just citing their justification for
> soldering. And by soldering the 'wrapped' connections I was merely
> bringing it up to "their" quoted standards.
>
>
>
> > PS: Speaking for myself, I hold two university degrees.
>
> Good for you. I have far more degrees than that, though I would be the
> first to admit that degrees don't necessarily mean anything :P
>
> > installers I know are not necessarily college educated, but I submit
> > to you, this has no bearing on their attitude to work, or much of
> > anything else for that matter. Success in business has more to do with
> > basic, old world attitudes towards honest and hard work than to any
> > specific level of education. I have at one time, run a business worth
> > over $600 million a year, but this does not make me a good installer,
> > or for that matter, a good independant businessman either.
>
> I couldn't agree more and congratulations on running such a large
> business.
>
> > I suggest, if you wish to be taken seriously here, a change in basic
> > attitude might help.....
>
> Pot-kettle. =A0Look back on the thread. See who started the name calling
> and disparaging comments first. My original thread simply laid out the
> facts and the near-verbatum arguments I heard from both my current
> company and a national monitoring company. I was careful not even to
> mention company names.
>
> Indeed, I have been far more polite than your so-called "professional"
> colleagues in this newsgroup.
>
> The sad thing is that you seemed to be one of the "good guys" until you
> started piling on to the "troll" slander.

RHC: Click on your profile "blueman" in one of your posts....I'm no
internet expert but what's with the "900,000 plus posts