Re: Filing Cabinets That Use Electronic Access?

["ABLE1" <royboynospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Oct 2, 11:58 am, "ABLE1" <royboynos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Yea, you are right. I spend to much time figuring out a certain project
> for
> someone who then decides it is going to cost too much or some other reason
> not to go forward. They never seem to consider the time that I spent
> getting to that point. Lately I have been throwing a written agreement at
> them for T&M or some minimum charge for me to see what falls out of my
> brain. People just either don't have a clue or any consideration for those
> that really know how to put together what it takes to go from a idea to
> final product. With your posting as well as Jim's it would seem that there
> are some of use out here that can put together what "W" wants. My only
> hope
> it that we have not given him too much input for FREE.
>
> And to "W" if you can't find someone locally to do this project then you
> haven't looked hard enough. We are out there. We just deserve to be
> compensated for what we know as well as what we do. Due to the nature of
> what you desire the first will be the most expensive. After that each
> additional will be less expensive. Depending upon the your final design
> criteria the final cost may or may not prohibitive. It depends on the ROI
> that you desire. As before you could do nothing at all and save a lot of
> dollars. The again sharing the dollars to get what you want will certainly
> help the economy. Not that it needs it or any thing.
>
> Les-

I'll agree with most of what you say but least it not be said at
all  .....  I'll add this:

I don't think that making this device would be a very big project.
Mostly off the shelf items put together as a means to an end. THAT's
the easy part. Making it a marketable/profitable product is the tough,
expensive part. How much is it going to cost to get engineering
drawings, a business attorney for getting confidentiallity agreements
signed with all who work on it. Application for a patent. A patent
attorney and expediter, marketing consultant, sales means and
methods.

Minimum a few hundred thousand dollars, in an attempt to make sure it
was going to fly, which probably means outside investors. Otherwise
the minimum is to just apply for a patent and spend years of trying to
do all of the rest yourself. Trying to get a start up manufacturing
company to a point that it is profitable, without outside money, is a
VERY difficult thing to do.


Yes that may all be true.  However, if I was asked to get involved with
doing the project it would only be of interest to me for the quantity that
"W" might want.  Yes, having some legal documents signed would be necessary
but not to the degree you suggest.  It would simply be a agreement that
covers cost, payments, etc.  If the project went well it could be packaged
as a retrofit that a 10th grader could follow and could be installed on
'W's' property.  But I may be looking too far ahead.

As for the patent part of your suggestion, since my intent would be to not
even think about it this would be a non issue.  Again it is not a concern.
I know what is involved and it is just too big and expensive to go forward
with.  It would be easier to approach the manufacture and get them to
evaluate and pay a fee for the simple rights.  As I see it they don't feel
there is a serious market for the adaptation to make a profit.  In other
word no demand (other than 'W' that is).

Life goes on.

Les