Re: Fire Alarms Certification

[Frank Kurz <tech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 12/05/2011 3:47 AM, nick markowitz wrote:
> On May 12, 4:57 am, Frank Kurz<t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>> On 11/05/2011 10:31 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
>>
>>> Frank Kurz Wrote:
>>
>>>> Patently ridiculous
>>>> when you consider what the supposed "factory trained" technicians passed
>>>> for properly installed fire alarm panels on four jobs that I know of.
>>
>>> I got a Fire-Lite factory certificate, it was a 2 day sales pitch.
>>
>> Same here.  It also seemed to focus on the MS-9050, didn't even go into
>> the use of the downloading software, and didn't provide much in the way
>> of actual programming instruction (it covered the basics but not the
>> more complex correlations and on-board communicator set-up, which I was
>> expecting).  It was disappointing.  I didn't really learn anything "new"
>> or what I hadn't already discovered on my own.  Earl Muise is also no
>> longer with Honeywell.
>>
>> Over the years I've learned to program Edwards, Simplex, Notifier,
>> Potter, Mircom, and FireLite panels.  The new Mircom stuff (FX-350) is
>> nice.  I've been involved in programming and commissioning three now.
>> It goes head-to-head with Potter and FireLite and actually beats them
>> out in a few key areas.  The main drawback with Potter's PFC-9000 is
>> that they don't have a ULC Listed interface module for conventional
>> smokes, the remote NAC module won't do Class "A", and there isn't an
>> outdoor enclosure for the remote annunciator.  The main problem with
>> FireLite (in Canada particularly) is that they don't have an annunciator
>> you can mount remote from the panel.  For some reason you have to
>> install it in the same room as the panel, and the maximum length of
>> conduit allowed between the panel and the annunciator is 12 feet.  Their
>> current annunciator looks really hokey when you have to stack it as well
>> (which is pretty well a given for most installations).
>>
>> --
>> Frank Kurzwww.firetechs.net
>
> Firelite is the parent company of notifier know one panel you know the
> other.


According to Acme (a Notifier distributor and the recent recipient of a
Burning Brick), this is not the case.  They would have you believe that
only "Notifier Certified" techs are allowed to work/program/verify a
Notifier panel.  Balderdash.

--
Frank Kurz
www.firetechs.net