Re: United Nations Gun control

[tourman <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Feb 14, 9:56=A0pm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 9:33=A0am, <petem...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > "tourman" =A0a crit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
> > 9eedc7ba-7171-447e-a8b4-f3a955b0a...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > On Feb 11, 4:38 pm, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > "G. Morgan" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > >news:tq7bl6l43ptorpqd8ei5t3sejjcdv6tnlk@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > >>In all of this, as the true nature of the Obama administration sell=
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> > > >>out of our nation unfolds, NRA members must prepare for the coming
> > > >>battles to prevent and reverse the damage the administration`s
> > > >>"change" is inflicting on American freedom and our sovereignty.
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> > > > Do you actually think Americans will line-up and turn their
> > > > firearms in?
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> > > Do you think individuals whose firearms transactions have been tracke=
d for
> > > years will be able to standup to armed swat teams who standby while
> > > officers
> > > serve them individually with papers to turn over all of their guns?
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> > > Will you personally stand by yourself and die and put your family at =
risk
> > > of
> > > death or imprisonment to keep your guns?
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> > > Will you be prepared to take on a dozens of agents in body armor when=
 they
> > > storm your house if you refuse the first polite request?
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> > > Lets throw a little dose of reality on the fire here.
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> > RHC: Let me give you another dose of reality a little closer to home.
> > In the last while, in Toronto, a lot of older veterans who brought
> > home a long gun or two from WW2, and who had to have their "weapons"
> > registered under the Federal Long Gun Registry, and who subsequently
> > through old age, simply forgot to renew the license, have been visited
> > by the Toronto police to have these guns seized. This is not theory:
> > this is fact. And because firearms are involved, the police have a
> > policy to always dispatch SWAT. So imagine a 90 year old vet answering
> > the door to that scene. And ask yourself if it can't happen in the US.
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> > Believe it, it can, despite the 2nd Amendment =A0!!!!!
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> > And I beleive that if an old vet cant keep on with renewing his fire ar=
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> > registration , he dont need them..
> > Whats next, he thinks his back in Germany or somewhere else and start
> > shooting all over...
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> You have to ask if registering his long gun would stop that from
> happening?
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> Obviously it wouldn't.
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> So then, what really IS the governments point of wanting all the guns
> registered?
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> > Shit if you cant keep on with paper work, you dont deserve the right to=
 keep
> > fire arm at home.-
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> The paperwork is not the issue Petem, it's the fact that as soon as
> the government has a law on the books that gives them the "right" to
> make you register your firearms or they can take them away from
> you ...... then they have the right to take them away from you for any
> reason they can make up, in the future.
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> With regard to Egypt, guns aren't necessary to start and execute a
> revolution, as long as the government doesn't use them to stop it. If
> they do, use guns against the people, and the populace doesn't have
> any defense, the results are written in history ...... over and over
> again, the people and democracy lose. =A0The fact that they were not an
> issue in Egypt is because the military refrained from using them
> against the demostrators. I don't know what the gun rights of the
> people are in Egypt, but I'm sure if the military had used them, they
> would have appeared in the hands of the demonstrators.
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> To repeat a saying here in the US, The right of a society to bear arms
> guarantees all of the other rights of that society. Those societies
> whose governments control their access to their rights to defend
> themselves, have put their futures in the hands of and at the whim of
> politicians and anyone who decides that their idea of what they think
> the people should do, is the only way for their country to be run.
> Dictatorship, Autocracy, Kingdom, what ever gives all the power to a
> few people.
>
> I think/ I hope .... that we are seeing the beginning of a great
> change in the Middle East. A coming out of the dark ages for milliions
> of suppressed people, to experience free societies. I very much
> believe that you cannot have a clearly and concisely free society if
> you have a govenment that holds that societys fate in it's hands by
> removing the individuals right to defend themselves. If a free and
> democratic society is defined as the "People" being in charge, it is
> necessary for the people to hold the upper hand over their govenment,
> not the other way around. If a society doesn't like what their
> government is doing, in a domocracy, they have the option of voting
> the govenment out of office, unless of course, the government doesn't
> want to go and the people have no way to make them.

RHC: All true, but I believe you are wasting your breath. His response
is like that of a lot of people who have never experienced anything
like that, and honestly believe " it couldn't happen here". They
believe that governments as they have experienced them in their short
lifetimes will always remain benevolent and looking out for their best
interests. It takes living for awhile in countries where democracy
hangs by a thread, or people's "rights" are granted at the whim of
some dictator, to REALLY understand how good we all have it in the USA
and Canada. For exactly that reason, we must stay alert to the
influence of these kinds within government circles.

I get angry at these" whowsy nowsy" types but I actually feel more
sorry for them. They're the ones that go through life trusting
government institutions, dutifully following all the rules and
regulations without question until the heavy boots land on them. Then
they scream like hell but by that time it's too late to do anything
effective.

Guns draw a myriad of differing responses from people, most of them
not terribly rationale. That's why those who do care have to
constantly be on guard against those who would try to protect us
against ourselves ....you know, the "unwashed masses" ...too stupid to
be able to handle our own affairs without constant guidance by the
authorities.

A firearm to us is just a tool. However to them, it represents much
more, and none of it good in their estimation. Your NRA does good
legislative work, but don't think for a moment you can totally fall
back on them. Your rights can be eaten away at through many minor,
less onerous rules and regulations until there is nothing left.

We've allowed that to happen here in Canada, and things won't shift
back to centre stage until we get a majority Conservative government