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Re: United Nations Gun control



On Feb 14, 9:33=A0am, <petem...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> "tourman" =A0a crit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
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> On Feb 11, 4:38 pm, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > "G. Morgan" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >news:tq7bl6l43ptorpqd8ei5t3sejjcdv6tnlk@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > >>In all of this, as the true nature of the Obama administration sell-
> > >>out of our nation unfolds, NRA members must prepare for the coming
> > >>battles to prevent and reverse the damage the administration`s
> > >>"change" is inflicting on American freedom and our sovereignty.
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> > > Do you actually think Americans will line-up and turn their
> > > firearms in?
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> > Do you think individuals whose firearms transactions have been tracked =
for
> > years will be able to standup to armed swat teams who standby while
> > officers
> > serve them individually with papers to turn over all of their guns?
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> > Will you personally stand by yourself and die and put your family at ri=
sk
> > of
> > death or imprisonment to keep your guns?
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> > Will you be prepared to take on a dozens of agents in body armor when t=
hey
> > storm your house if you refuse the first polite request?
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> > Lets throw a little dose of reality on the fire here.
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> RHC: Let me give you another dose of reality a little closer to home.
> In the last while, in Toronto, a lot of older veterans who brought
> home a long gun or two from WW2, and who had to have their "weapons"
> registered under the Federal Long Gun Registry, and who subsequently
> through old age, simply forgot to renew the license, have been visited
> by the Toronto police to have these guns seized. This is not theory:
> this is fact. And because firearms are involved, the police have a
> policy to always dispatch SWAT. So imagine a 90 year old vet answering
> the door to that scene. And ask yourself if it can't happen in the US.
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> Believe it, it can, despite the 2nd Amendment =A0!!!!!
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> And I beleive that if an old vet cant keep on with renewing his fire arm
> registration , he dont need them..
> Whats next, he thinks his back in Germany or somewhere else and start
> shooting all over...

You have to ask if registering his long gun would stop that from
happening?

Obviously it wouldn't.

So then, what really IS the governments point of wanting all the guns
registered?

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> Shit if you cant keep on with paper work, you dont deserve the right to k=
eep
> fire arm at home.-

The paperwork is not the issue Petem, it's the fact that as soon as
the government has a law on the books that gives them the "right" to
make you register your firearms or they can take them away from
you ...... then they have the right to take them away from you for any
reason they can make up, in the future.

With regard to Egypt, guns aren't necessary to start and execute a
revolution, as long as the government doesn't use them to stop it. If
they do, use guns against the people, and the populace doesn't have
any defense, the results are written in history ...... over and over
again, the people and democracy lose.  The fact that they were not an
issue in Egypt is because the military refrained from using them
against the demostrators. I don't know what the gun rights of the
people are in Egypt, but I'm sure if the military had used them, they
would have appeared in the hands of the demonstrators.

To repeat a saying here in the US, The right of a society to bear arms
guarantees all of the other rights of that society. Those societies
whose governments control their access to their rights to defend
themselves, have put their futures in the hands of and at the whim of
politicians and anyone who decides that their idea of what they think
the people should do, is the only way for their country to be run.
Dictatorship, Autocracy, Kingdom, what ever gives all the power to a
few people.

I think/ I hope .... that we are seeing the beginning of a great
change in the Middle East. A coming out of the dark ages for milliions
of suppressed people, to experience free societies. I very much
believe that you cannot have a clearly and concisely free society if
you have a govenment that holds that societys fate in it's hands by
removing the individuals right to defend themselves. If a free and
democratic society is defined as the "People" being in charge, it is
necessary for the people to hold the upper hand over their govenment,
not the other way around. If a society doesn't like what their
government is doing, in a domocracy, they have the option of voting
the govenment out of office, unless of course, the government doesn't
want to go and the people have no way to make them.


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