Re: ADT buys Broadview (Brinks)

[nick markowitz <nmarkowitz@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Dec 15, 3:13=A0pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Dec 15, 1:19=A0pm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Dec 14, 8:22=A0pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Dec 14, 6:43=A0pm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On Dec 14, 10:29=A0am, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > RHC:No doubt; you tend to remember those who screw you...:)) =A0O=
nce
> > > > > this merger happens, there will be loads of people being screwed.=
 ADT
> > > > > typically raids the resources of those whom they buy and lets the=
 rest
> > > > > go as they did with the SecurityLink merger. There are loads of p=
eople
> > > > > at Broadview worried about their jobs, and rightly so.
>
> > > > > I spent most of my life inside a large corporate organization and=
 saw
> > > > > firsthand what can and will happen. To my shame, I was part of it
> > > > > (although unwittingly in those days). Those at the bottom and the
> > > > > middle, who are the glue holding an organization together, will b=
e
> > > > > largely sacrificed on the alter of "reorganization". Those at the=
 top
> > > > > have the goal and obligation, to set things up for the best overa=
ll
> > > > > bottom line for the company. While the better executives will do =
their
> > > > > best to keep the pain =A0to a minimum, bottom line, lots of peopl=
e will
> > > > > be let go in the name of improved organization and profit ! Middl=
e
> > > > > management has "fat" that can always be eliminated. Upper managem=
ent
> > > > > too; however, no one there will ever "fall on their sword" in the=
 name
> > > > > of improved bottom line...:))
>
> > > > > On the technical side, this will not be so extreme, since ADT is
> > > > > bringing on board loads of panels they know nothing about, and wi=
ll
> > > > > need expertise to keep things running. At leaset initially, custo=
mer
> > > > > service will slip badly, leaving lots of opportunity for independ=
ants
> > > > > to target millions of accounts from both companies. Many Broadvie=
w
> > > > > dealers will try to jump ship as well, since this was not their
> > > > > agreement with Broadview.
>
> > > > If history is any guide, most independents will not have a clue abo=
ut
> > > > setting up any type of plan whatsoever.
>
> > > > > The end result for us will be one mega-monster company to compete
> > > > > against rather than two. If independants do their job right, it s=
hould
> > > > > be a much easier market to compete in, given the failings of all =
large
> > > > > companies.
>
> > > > They wont "do their job right" because most don't know what their j=
ob
> > > > is to begin with. It will be business as usual.
>
> > > > > We have more to worry about on the short term from independant
> > > > > "startups" giving away systems to get RMR, not realizing until it=
 is
> > > > > too late, they are largely cutting their own throats in the proce=
ss.
> > > > > Up here, we are starting to see HVAC companies selling DSC wirele=
ss
> > > > > systems to go along with their HVAC services, under the guise of
> > > > > protecting customers against failure of the very systems that the=
y are
> > > > > installing....??? Their pricing is ridiculously low, so I have to
> > > > > wonder how they will end up charging for service to make up the
> > > > > difference. Once the initial service term of 3 years is up, they =
too
> > > > > will lose large chunks of this business to lower priced companies=
,
> > > > > making them wonder why they got in this business at all.....:))
>
> > > > This is more like reality but including most independent alarm
> > > > companys.
>
> > > > > Anything for a buck...!!
>
> > > > Now you've got it ....!! =A0You could have elimiated everything you=
 said
> > > > above and this would have sufficed.
>
> > > RHC: Hmmm....very pessimistic view of your brethren in the business !
> > > I know lots of small dealers that are sharp businessmen, and who can
> > > see very clearly what's going on, and where opportunities lie. Guess
> > > we're smarter up here, that's all....:)) =A0(ducking behind any cover=
 as
> > > all sorts of crap flies overhead )-
>
> > Naw, I know what you're saying. To clarify my point, ..... Sure ...
> > there's a lof of "aware" guys out there but it's the mass majority
> > that decides where a trade goes in it's quests for recognition and
> > equalization among other trades. Through the years, this trade has had
> > ample opportunity to pull it's self up by it's own bootstraps and has
> > not done so..... due to lack of organization. The majority is out
> > there " being independent". Part of the reason this is so, =A0is why I
> > feel as I do about the NBFAA (who has recently taken on an alias ....
> > as well it should ) This is an organization that's been around for
> > over 50 years and hasn't done a damn thing to orgaize the massive
> > power that resides in the small and independent alarm companys.
> > Instead it has legioned with the big and powerful and hasn't
> > accomplished shit in making any headway towards ligitimatizing the
> > trade. The little guys far out number and out-install the Nationals.
> > They consist of thousands of voices yet they have no unified power.
> > The NBFAA has totally ignored this power and failed to organize it
> > through the decades, because ,in my opinion, they know that once they
> > give the little guys the power, it will be the demise of their cadre
> > of "good ol boys"
>
> > So it's not my "Total" opinion that each and every indepented it a
> > dummy ..... it's just that "apparent" attitude that is generated by
> > lack of orgaization, recognition and mandated rules ..... that
> > provides the over all picture of the trade as ..... inept.
>
> > My example that I've give here before is.
>
> > There were two doctors who met at a party and one asked the other how
> > much he got for an apendectomy. He said $8,000.00 .... why? How much
> > do you get. The second doctor says .... Well, I've only been asking
> > $5000.00.
>
> > The next day the second doctor would increase his price to $8000.00.
>
> > In the alarm trade, the first doctor would reduce his price to
> > $5000.00.
>
> > It's this mentality that degrades a trade and without organization,
> > training, and mandated installation codes (that it's obvious by this
> > time are never going to be self adopted by the "independents" ) that
> > needs to be put in place if this trade EVER wants recognition and the
> > power to govern it's overall direction.
>
> RHC: Damn! For once,you and I are TOTALLY on the same track ! =A0I feel
> exactly as you do about our version of your trade organization called
> CANASA up here in Canada. They are in bed with the multi-national
> alarm companies and only play lip service to the thousands of
> independants here (although they would be quick to take my money if I
> was foolish enough to offer it ). They are an "old boys club" too. It
> seems to be a natural tendency of all associations to end up that way,
> just as has TAOL (The association of Ontario Locksmiths), which I
> belonged to for many years, until they too showed their true
> stripes !
>
> Your reasoning is sound; however, I don't have a clue how to affect
> the problem in any meaningful way

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