Re: An ethical conundrum... Opinions welcome!

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Dec 4, 7:11=EF=BF=BDpm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Dec 4, 6:47=EF=BF=BDpm, Frank Olson
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> <use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > JoeRaisin wrote:
> > > Frank Olson wrote:
> > >> tourman wrote:
> > >>> On Nov 29, 10:23 am, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>> On Nov 29, 3:11 am, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > >>>>>>> I've noticed a lot of high volume companies don't use timer tes=
ts
> > >>>>>>> on residential systems, usually because they want to cut down o=
n
> > >>>>>>> service since they don't have anyone local.
> > >>>>>> Yea right
> > >>>>> Ummm, Yea right, WHAT????
> > >>>> Ummm Yea right it's nonsense someone does not use timer tests to
> > >>>> prevent service calls.
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> > >>> RHC: More likely they don't use test signals to cut down the number=
 of
> > >>> signals going in to their massive stations. Millions of accounts
> > >>> equals millions of test signals, which in turn equals a lot more
> > >>> hardware to handle them. And if they can fall back on that
> > >>> manufacturer published doctrine..."test systems weekly" as an excus=
e
> > >>> not to do the right thing...why not ?
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> > >>> To their way of corporate thinking, this might well make sense.....
> > >>> who knows what's in their minds !!! It would be interesting to know=
 if
> > >>> the worst of the bunch...Alarmforce.... program in test
> > >>> signals...anyone know ?
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> > >> I have no idea. =EF=BF=BDI was talking to the manager of one of the =
better
> > >> alarmco's in Vancouver and he told me that they lost a client to
> > >> Alarmfarce. =EF=BF=BDThe guy had a full perimeter system installed. =
=EF=BF=BD
> > >> Glass-break detectors, etc. =EF=BF=BDSold the house and the new owne=
r moved
> > >> his Alarmfarce system in. =EF=BF=BDOne door, one PIR (made "pet proo=
f" by
> > >> mounting it upside down three feet from the floor). =EF=BF=BDThe ala=
rmco's
> > >> service dept was contacted to power down their equipment (including
> > >> the monitored smoke and carbon monoxide detectors). =EF=BF=BDThis co=
mpany
> > >> charged $35.00 per month for monitoring ($25.00 per month for basic
> > >> service, $5.00 for fire, and $5.00 for CO). =EF=BF=BDAlarmfarce char=
ges $25.00
> > >> for their voice service. =EF=BF=BDI suppose the customer perceived "=
value" in
> > >> one over the other. =EF=BF=BDThere's a lot of "hype" in the sales pi=
tch used
> > >> by Alarmfarce. =EF=BF=BDI hope Joel Matlin sleeps well at night secu=
re in the
> > >> knowledge that the fire and CO detectors in this house have been
> > >> neutralized because this customer chose "the best alarm system in
> > >> North America".
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> > >> PS. =EF=BF=BDLike any good reputable alarm dealer the customer was o=
ffered a
> > >> degraded system (local only) rather than disconnect the thing
> > >> entirely. =EF=BF=BDHe didn't want to pay for the service call so now=
, he has
> > >> practically "nothing".
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> > > Good Freakin' God - I hope there are other smoke detectors in the hou=
se.
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> > > What is the liability - even if asked to do so - in killing smoke
> > > detectors in a house? =EF=BF=BDShould the AHJ that granted occupancy =
way back
> > > when be contacted?
>
> > I have no idea (if there are 110VAC smokes on the premises). =EF=BF=BDT=
he AHJ
> > isn't involved when system smoke alarms are added to a residential
> > security system. =EF=BF=BDThere isn't even a requirement to have them p=
roperly
> > supervised.
>
> > I know where you're coming from. =EF=BF=BDUnfortunately there are still=
 people
> > that don't properly research their options, and some people that are so
> > "stuck" on one particular product (or the hype surrounding it), that it
> > clearly affects their purchase decisions. =EF=BF=BDGod help all stupid =
people
> > (stuck with Alarmfarce systems).
>
> RHC: Gawd, the utter stupidity of that homeowner is almost
> unbelievable. I know that people get well sold on the Alarmforce
> "hype" but that is going TOTALLY backwards !!!!!!!
> I guess Rube Goldstein had it right....there's a sucker born every
> minute.
>

I though that was PT Barnum

> Who said that a fool and his money are soon parted....WAIT ! I
> know...it was Joel Matlin....:))-

Or every Freebee alarm company customer.

But, if you think about it, both sayings basically say the same thing.