Re: OT Atlas Shrugged.

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On Aug 27, 5:08 pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 9:04 am, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
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> > "Jim" wrote:
>
> > >> Hmm. Obama has been President of the United States for less than one school
> > >> year. When did this course take place?
>
> > > Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
>
> > Apparently, Snopes has debunked the story though it was a good way to
> > illustrate your point, even if we disagree on the matter.
>
> > > Also, if he's so much for the achiever being rewarded and the slackers not,
> > > how come he never failed anyone? Sounds socialistic to me.
>
> > I was not aware that he never failed anyone.  Is that something he said or
> > something someone else said about him?
>
> > > But anyway, even if it's hypothetical .....  I thought it was a good example
> > > of how socialism affects the populace.
>
> > Maybe so, but we disagree about Obama being a socialist.  Our society is a mix
> > of capitalist and socialist systems.  We have Social Security, Medicare and
> > Medicaid, all of which are designed to keep people in need afloat at the
> > expense of the rest of the taxpayers.  We also have unemployment insurance,
> > which is borderline socialist but which no one denies is an important
> > government run system.  None of these systems are perfect but all are helpful
> > and IMO necessary.
>
> > The idea of universal health care does not mean single payer / single
> > provider.  It means that those who are currently to obtain health care in the
> > private sector will have a public option.  I know you feel that it is unfair
> > for taxpayers to foot the bill for those who can't or (worse) won't pay for
> > their own coverage.  But there are two sides to every argument.  Due to
> > declining health very soon I will have to stop working.  My insurer is
> > anxiously waiting for the first day that I miss a payment so they can drop me.
> > I've worked all my life, paid taxes every year and dutifully paid for health
> > insurance.  Now, as the end of life draws near, I may be unable to get medical
> > treatment.  I don't think that is fair either.
>
> > Somehow we have to come up with a compromise.  Obama is at least willing to
> > dialogue with Republicans and try to find common ground.  Rather than make him
> > out to be a socialist, terrorist or whatever other "ist," why not encourage
> > both sides to sit down and do some honest work to find a solution?
>
> > --
>
> > Regards,
> > Robert L Bass
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> RHC: Bob, I don't normally jump in to any threads that are not about
> security in some manner; however, given what is going on in the media
> about health care, I have to say something. That something is that I
> am totally amazed at how the US coverage of Canadian health care has
> been almost totally incorrect. Clearly those with a bias either for or
> against have slanted their arguments in favour of what they believe
> with little or no regard for the truth.
>
> Living in Canada, we are a country which has good health care for
> anyone who needs it. No one is turned away for lack of coverage, and
> you can be absolutely sure you will be looked after well in any real
> emergency. But like any system, priorities have to be made and
> surgeries which are not vital can take longer (in some cases much
> longer) than in a private health care system. But my wife got her new
> knee; my father got his quadruple bypass operation, and we have no
> huge bills to contend with.  Both my brother in law and mother in law
> spent their last days in a hospital bed which we received no bill for.
> Sure the system has it's problems (like doctor shortages in some rural
> communities). But no one gets turned away from public clinics because
> of costs. It's far from perfect, but it works well.
>
> As much as I love the US, it has always amazed me how many people
> there are adamantly unwilling to contribute to any public system which
> in their eyes provides something for people who are generally seen as
> the "have nots" of society. If a society can't look after it's
> citizens to at least a certain degree, you have to wonder if there
> isn't something terribly wrong about that.
>
> Again, I'm going to get shot to hell here for saying this, but if the
> US would actually cut down on the gargantuan costs of their military,
> and stopped trying to be the "world's policeman", maybe there would be
> enough money left over to provide basic health care for all it's
> citizens.... <


If America wasn't policeman to the world the Europenises would be
living under a swaztika, and the Aussies would be eating sushi.
The rest of the free world should be kissing our asses for shedding
all that blood protecting them.

The problem in America has been caused by one party. The Republicrats
are to blame. From Pelosi to McCain this country is ruled by people
that take an oath to uphold, protect, and preserve our constitution,
but all they do is violate it. The health care problem in this country
is caused by illegal immigrants and scumbag naturalized citizens that
use our emergency rooms as health clinics. These people bring their
kids to emergency rooms to get check ups. We get hit with the tab
which is much greater than a standard visit to the doctor's office. If
we would protect our borders properly we would save trillions. I'm not
saying we keep eliminate immigration here. I'm saying make these
fuckers come through our front door, register upon entry, and pay
taxes like everyone else. Giving them health care would be cheaper
than allowing them to continue stealing it.
Our health care system is also in trouble because of frivolous
lawsuits, pharmaceutical companies gouging us for nonsense, insurance
companies spending 66% of their revenue on administration, and our
Medicare system being run by idiots.
Now what most people don't realize is that they are choosing sides
between someone that wants to fuck their grandmother in the ass and
someone who wants to fuck their grandmother in the ass twice. America
is a land of sheep. We've been led down a path where we now describe
our states as blue or red states. We're fucking morons who keep voting
in assholes that have been promising salvation since central park was
a seed.
For all of the folks clacking on about their party being right I
wonder if they enter the voting booth and pull the lever for someone
because that candidate will honor our constitution, or if they pull
the lever for them because of party affiliation?
We vote based on who has the R or D next to their name even though 9
times out of 10 the guy with the I next to his name is the guy who
will honor his oath.
But hey who gives a fuck if Obama's new czars are anti-American, or if
the former VP covered up crimes and decided he was in charge on
September 11th, 2001? As long as they have an R or a D next to their
name at least 50% of the populace will think they walk on water.
The talking heads will like us better if we join their gang and cheer
on the R or D they are promoting.
Fucking sheep is all we are.
The millions of men and women who gave their lives to give us freedom
must be turning in their fucking graves seeing how we just let it get
taken away  without a fight.