Re: OT Atlas Shrugged.

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Aug 27, 5:08=EF=BF=BDpm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 9:04=EF=BF=BDam, "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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> > "Jim" wrote:
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> > >> Hmm. Obama has been President of the United States for less than one=
 school
> > >> year. When did this course take place?
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> > > Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
>
> > Apparently, Snopes has debunked the story though it was a good way to
> > illustrate your point, even if we disagree on the matter.
>
> > > Also, if he's so much for the achiever being rewarded and the slacker=
s not,
> > > how come he never failed anyone? Sounds socialistic to me.
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> > I was not aware that he never failed anyone. =EF=BF=BDIs that something=
 he said or
> > something someone else said about him?
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> > > But anyway, even if it's hypothetical ..... =EF=BF=BDI thought it was=
 a good example
> > > of how socialism affects the populace.
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> > Maybe so, but we disagree about Obama being a socialist. =EF=BF=BDOur s=
ociety is a mix
> > of capitalist and socialist systems. =EF=BF=BDWe have Social Security, =
Medicare and
> > Medicaid, all of which are designed to keep people in need afloat at th=
e
> > expense of the rest of the taxpayers. =EF=BF=BDWe also have unemploymen=
t insurance,
> > which is borderline socialist but which no one denies is an important
> > government run system. =EF=BF=BDNone of these systems are perfect but a=
ll are helpful
> > and IMO necessary.
>
> > The idea of universal health care does not mean single payer / single
> > provider. =EF=BF=BDIt means that those who are currently to obtain heal=
th care in the
> > private sector will have a public option. =EF=BF=BDI know you feel that=
 it is unfair
> > for taxpayers to foot the bill for those who can't or (worse) won't pay=
 for
> > their own coverage. =EF=BF=BDBut there are two sides to every argument.=
 =EF=BF=BDDue to
> > declining health very soon I will have to stop working. =EF=BF=BDMy ins=
urer is
> > anxiously waiting for the first day that I miss a payment so they can d=
rop me.
> > I've worked all my life, paid taxes every year and dutifully paid for h=
ealth
> > insurance. =EF=BF=BDNow, as the end of life draws near, I may be unable=
 to get medical
> > treatment. =EF=BF=BDI don't think that is fair either.
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> > Somehow we have to come up with a compromise. =EF=BF=BDObama is at leas=
t willing to
> > dialogue with Republicans and try to find common ground. =EF=BF=BDRathe=
r than make him
> > out to be a socialist, terrorist or whatever other "ist," why not encou=
rage
> > both sides to sit down and do some honest work to find a solution?
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> > --
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> > Regards,
> > Robert L Bass
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> RHC: Bob, I don't normally jump in to any threads that are not about
> security in some manner; however, given what is going on in the media
> about health care, I have to say something. That something is that I
> am totally amazed at how the US coverage of Canadian health care has
> been almost totally incorrect. Clearly those with a bias either for or
> against have slanted their arguments in favour of what they believe
> with little or no regard for the truth.
>
> Living in Canada, we are a country which has good health care for
> anyone who needs it. No one is turned away for lack of coverage, and
> you can be absolutely sure you will be looked after well in any real
> emergency. But like any system, priorities have to be made and
> surgeries which are not vital can take longer (in some cases much
> longer) than in a private health care system. But my wife got her new
> knee; my father got his quadruple bypass operation, and we have no
> huge bills to contend with. =EF=BF=BDBoth my brother in law and mother in=
 law
> spent their last days in a hospital bed which we received no bill for.
> Sure the system has it's problems (like doctor shortages in some rural
> communities). But no one gets turned away from public clinics because
> of costs. It's far from perfect, but it works well.
>
> As much as I love the US, it has always amazed me how many people
> there are adamantly unwilling to contribute to any public system which
> in their eyes provides something for people who are generally seen as
> the "have nots" of society. If a society can't look after it's
> citizens to at least a certain degree, you have to wonder if there
> isn't something terribly wrong about that.
>
> Again, I'm going to get shot to hell here for saying this, but if the
> US would actually cut down on the gargantuan costs of their military,
> and stopped trying to be the "world's policeman", maybe there would be
> enough money left over to provide basic health care for all it's
> citizens....-

So you're saying that the same politicians that have bungled the gun
control issue in Canada are capable of managing your health issues.

I think it was Ragan who said something like......

When someone knocks at your door and says, "Hi, I'm from the
government and I'm here to help"  Run, as fast as you can.