Re: Instant unlocker...

["Just Looking" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

> RHC: Well, with ADT, they use Ademco products pretty well standard
> here in Canada other than when they used DSC products for a period of
> time (I don't believe they still do).

Since TYCO owns ADT & DSC, I wonder why they support Honeywell?
It doesn't make any sense.

"tourman" <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Nov 20, 9:43 am, Frank Olson
> <use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > tourman wrote:
> > > On Nov 20, 6:03 am, "Nick Markowitz Jr." <nick-markow...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >> I have sevral ademco high end panels I wish could be unlocked jim is
having problems so far getting them to do so
> > >>   "Items for Sale" <g_ib6ub92...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
messagenews:b8j0j.7833$Ji6.4170@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>   Has anyone tried this?
> >
> > >>   Looking at buying one.
> >
> > >>  http://www.instantunlocker.com
> >
> > >>   Thanks for any feedback.
> >
> > > RHC: I would be cautious about buying this unit simply to unlock
> > > certain boards that Jim Rojas is having trouble with. I have to be
> > > careful here about what I say, because it may well be interpreted as
> > > "sour grapes" since this unit competes in a limited way with my
> > > unlocking activities. If Jim cannot unlock certain of your boards,
> > > there is something else going on, and it is possible that the boards
> > > have been damaged. I often get boards within a shipment that will not
> > > respond to the methodologies that are common to both Jim and I, and
> > > which we use to unlock the boards. I can tell you with 100% certainty
> > > that it has nothing to do with our not being able to gain access to
> > > the panel. It's far more likely they have been damaged in some
> > > fashion, perhaps through lightning strike or something of that nature.
> >
> > > If you buy the Unlocker, and use it, and it doesn't work because the
> > > panel has been damaged, you will spend $29.95 each time you try, since
> > > the unit will count down with each use. I strongly suggest you allow
> > > Jim to continue to do what he does unless you have other uses for this
> > > product.
> >
> > Personally, the whole issue of "unlocking boards" is a bit dicey.  I've
> > not had a single customer complain on a takeover when they've had to
> > absorb the cost of a new board (usually under $50.00).  In the rare
> > instance where I could employ an unlocking service, why would I want to?
> >   I'd rather replace the board with a new one anyway.  One property
> > manager we deal with can't stand ADT.  Take-overs of those systems are
> > pretty easy because they want everything badged with ADT removed anyway.
> >   On some of the more sophisticated Ademco boards (where access control
> > might factor in), it's usually pretty simple to get into programming.
> > I've never found one of these actually locked out.
>
> RHC: Well, with ADT, they use Ademco products pretty well standard
> here in Canada other than when they used DSC products for a period of
> time (I don't believe they still do). I've never come across an ADT
> panel of any make that was locked and I takeover a lot of them from
> unhappy clients. Locking boards seems to be the domain of the small
> companies as well as those in the "free system" market (a quite
> legitimate use for this feature IMO since the client doesn't own the
> board)
>
> The vast majority of boards I get to unlock are from small and medium
> companies who save them up and send them to me in bulk for the
> discounted price. They in turn are taking over systems usually
> installed by some "little guy" who in most cases either doesn't give a
> damn about who owns the board or simply does it because he perceives
> it as giving him some protection from other companies. Others are from
> homeowners who move into a new home and find themselves with a useless
> panel (either the installing company is no longer in existence, or
> only offers service at an excessive price). Other big companies don't
> seem to do this either, since their contracts pretty well protect them
> against hostile moves from other companies (in the rare cases where
> this actually happens). The vast majority of boards that I get are DSC
> and Paradox panels, which still are a decent deal for $15 to unlock a
> board which costs $60. The other instances where it is worth doing are
> when doing takeovers of locked and no longer available DSC 1550's,
> 2550's and 3000's.  Often the company coming in cannot find these
> older boards anymore, and would lose the takeover if they had to
> replace the board and the older keypads even at their cost. I often
> get calls from companies asking me if I have any of these older boards
> for sale. I suspect that is also where the Unlocker is finding it's
> market !
>
> Now that most of the actual business activities have been transferred
> to my son, I have loads of time on my hands. I have been thinking of
> emailing the list of 2500 alarm companies here in Canada, but so far
> haven't done so , since this could easily be misinterpreted as spam.
> Also, I really don't know what sort of flood of business this might
> release.There is a market for this service here in Canada, but it is
> not large, and is quite "selective" in nature. Jim on the other hand,
> with a market of 300 million people to cater too, and since he
> services all makes of panels, could actually make a fair buck at
> it.....