Re: Notifier

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Milhouse Van Houten" <none@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Roland Moore wrote:
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>>Since it is Honeywell I am surprised they don't try to sell it at ADI.
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> Maybe they didn't take you to the show for a reason.
Yes, I have all the social grqaces but I am not house broken.

>You just have a  problem with ADI and their customers, don't you?
I don't have a problem with ADI. They send customers our way when they get
special calls from end users. I thank them properly. Some guys at ADI used
to work for me many moons ago. I know them all at the local branch. As for
ADI customers (other dealers) I talk to them politely too when they call me
for help.

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> I have always had the impression you're a fucking elitist because you
> deal mainly with Bosch crap.   I've always used bulletproof Silent
> Knight dialers, sold at ADI.
I am a bit confused. Is there a regular elitist and then one notch down to
fucking elitist? I could be either I guess. Is it important to know which
one I am? If not I'll just assume I am which ever is worse in your eyes. We
are a Bosch BCSD so what would be unusual about using Bosch gear? That kind
of means by definition I deal mainly with Bosch crap. There is a lot of
Bosch crap sold at ADI too. All of the former DS line of motions. DiBos,
Divar etc. and nearly all the video line. Access Easy is there too. Are you
an elitist if you use Bosch from ADI or just if you're a BCSD. We do both
actually so guilty both ways there too.
 I have only used a little of the SK gear in my time. I don't like fire and
SK gave up on burg long ago (except for a proprietary panel that they built
for the likes of Smith Alarm.) SK seems okay from what little I have used. I
like the Bosch 7024 better because of the upload/download ability and the
price. The regular Bosch D2071 and D9068 DACT aren't that hot in my opinion.
I think we have even yanked a few and put in other dialers when the spec
allowed.
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> Your attitude about dealers who don't install anything except Bosch,
> or DMP is wearing thin... similarly to your choices for video.. You
> think your way is the only way -- and the rest are somehow inferior
> for not adopting an all IP solution from Axis, Bosch, IqEnvison..
> etc..  Get fucked.  Your elitist attitude is not well received.
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I install Bosch. I have only worked on DMP and removed lots of it. We aren't
DMP dealers. You'll have to get another elitist named Petem for the real up
to date DMP scoop. I think another regular poster is on repair status with
DMP so is a repair status DMP dealer an elitist too?. I know one of the ADI
tech support guys used to be the DMP tech rep. Can he be redeemed now that
he is at ADI or is it once a DMP elitist, always an elitist? I think the
industry is in a transition now and IP based solutions are going to be more
common in the future. True, I mention Axis but I never use it however. I
have never used Iqenvision or even seen it. I do use BVIP video. It is a bit
harder to get to sell that even if you're a BCSD. Not using Bosch or DMP
doesn't make one a trunk slammer in my view. There is nothing special about
being a dealer for either really. It is merely a function of dollar volume
purchases to get and maintain your status. Bosch or DMP couldn't care less
if you think of yourself as an elitist or not. They just want the money. If
you don't sell you get the boot, period. Being a trunk slammer in my view is
a function of attitude, not the product line you happen to sell or not sell.
I think it is important to know the products you do sell and why you
continue to sell it over some similar product.  Do you care about your
craft? Do you try to keep up to date with the technology? What helps make a
trunk slammer in my view? A guy that's worked a decade in the business and
doesn't know how to measure a ground, or inductance; or one that can't tell
a resistor from a choke, or can't hook up a loop with two resistors and make
it work other than by trial and error. A trunk slammer knows how to call the
office to find the number for factory tech support. He won't keep
installation manuals, and he'll make the same errors again and again, even
when repeating the same task. I see that kind of guy nearly every time I
walk into ADI, SGI, Tri-ed, or Richardson's. Moving to IP video will only
magnify the problems a trunk slammer faces. Guys will have to know the
difference between a token ring and a sonet ring at one end and a MAC
address from and IP address at the other. IP video lends itself to larger
installations which we do a lot of. That means you get lots of experience on
certain aspects of the industry doing a lot of the same sorts of things. I
don't think that makes us elitists, but you might. I just like to think
about what I do in this industry, and think how I can do it better. If that
makes me an elitist that you think is not well received here so be it. Trust
me, I can easily live with it from a guy that signs his name as trunk
slammer, even in jest.
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Yours Truly,
Trunk Slammer

Is that like that old bumper sticker "Oil field trash and proud of it"? I am
moved.

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