Re: Who has a security system and dialup?

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>>When my sister first got a computer her speeds were in the 40s.
>>
>>Somewhere down the road she now only gets about 20k.

No real mystery. Sounds like a dial up connection where the phone company
has used line doubling. It's legal but it takes the speed down to lower 20's
for certain. A normal alarm panel with proper phone jack terminations won't
change dial up connection speeds much.

"Milhouse Van Houten" <none@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> mm wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:49:22 -0500, Terry <Kilowatt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>When my sister first got a computer her speeds were in the 40s.
>>>
>>>Somewhere down the road she now only gets about 20k.
>>>
>>>She was having trouble with one of her phones.  I looked in her phone
>>>box and the security people had put their lines on the main and the
>>>extensions on their other pair.
>>>
>>>Her phone problems turned out to be an inside phone.  I am not sure
>>>when her speeds slowed as it could have happened over the past 5 years
>>>or so.
>>>
>>>Has anyone confirmed that having a security system in the phone loop
>>>slows dial up?
>>
>>Within the next month, I'll have what you say.
>>
>>I sort of doubt this is the problem****, but when I've had speed
>>problems, I've routed the line straight from the nid to the computer,
>>and from there to everywher else.  That didn't really help either, but
>>I knew I had done what I could.
>>
>>If you want to check, bypass the connection with the burglar alarm.
>>
>>The best way to do this if you have a NID, a network interface device,
>>outside your house, is probably to get some phone wire with modular
>>plugs on each end, and run the wire from her modem to the NID.   (You
>>have to unplug the house to do this)  You can go through the hall and
>>out the window. See what kind of speeds you get.
>
> Agreed.. So far..
>
>
>> If you want to do
>>this for an extended period, take the second jack of the modem and use
>>another wire to plug that in to the place the modem is plugged into
>>now.  Then the rest of the phones in your house will work, except
>>probably not the burglar alarm connection.  But her alarm is probably
>>not armed when people are home, anyhow.
>
> Nope, that will effectively send the phone voltage back to the
> customer side of the NID, which is now completely isolated because the
> small jumper cord from the Telco side to the Customer side in the NID
> is.
>
> I think you meant to say run the 2nd jumper from the "phone out" of
> the modem to the NID "in", the jack that was unplugged (the small
> jumper inside the NID).  Which will effectively make the modem the
> seizure device.
>
>
>
>>
>>If you want to keep the alarm in the circuit, for extended testing,
>>you'll need to reverse two pairs of two wires each. So that when the
>>alarm siezes the line, it will sieze the wires in the house (that go
>>to the computer and then to the NID) instead of the wires that go
>>directly to the NID, which are no longer conected to anything.
>
> Nope.. don't do that of all the other house phones are gone.
>
>
>>
>>The major reason the alarm siezes the line is so the burglar can't
>>interfere with the dialing (the touch-toning) by picking up the first
>>phone he sees and pushing extra buttons.  But I don't think many
>>burglars bother to do that (anyone know?), and you're not likely to
>>get burlarized during this modem speed testing period anyhow. Plus I
>>have a siren.
>
> That's true.
>
>
>
>>So the alarm will still work in every other way even if it doesn't
>>sieze the line, if you reverse the in and out  You could do this at
>>the alarm control panel, or at the 2x2 telephone outlet the alarm is
>>plugged into that I explain below.
>>
>>I know I'm not always clear, so if any of this is confusing, please
>>ask.
>>
>
> Iv 'e been an alarm tech for 16 years and your explanation *is*
> confusing - not because I don't understand in-house wiring better than
> the phone man, but because I had to decipher your instructions. <G>
>
>>The second way to bypass the alarm, only bypasses that and not the
>>rest of hthe house, but doesn't require there to be a NID outside.
>>
>>2) My alarm, which I am installing myself, has four phone connections,
>>two in and two out, and is intended to use standard four-conductor
>>indoor phone wire, with a modular plug on the other end.  The modular
>>plug is intended to plug into a standard phone jack (at least that is
>>what I'll be using) but one that is wired differently from an
>>extension phone.  This one instead has two wires (in the same sheath)
>>from the line from the phone company, and two wires that go to the
>>rest of your house.
>
>
> It's NOT a standard jack - It's an RJ-31x.  It has shorting pins
> inside, so when the cord gets disconnected the shorting pins allow the
> phone voltage to go back out to the NID - (when it's plugged in the
> panel's relay does it)
>
>
>>
>>So all you have to do is, not at the burlar alarm panel but at that
>>2x2 inch box, either use 2 wires with alligator clips on each end, and
>>clip them from red to red and from green to green.
>
> Inside the RJ-31x the colors are <green/red> to street, <gray/brown>
> to house phones.
>
> This is NOT a standard jack by any means..  If you look inside one
> there are 4 more connections - they are for tampers.
>
>
>
>
>>(You could do this at the burglar alarm panel too.  although there
>>might not be any stripped wire showing.)
>>
>>Or you can take one of each color off, and put it on the very same
>>screw as the one of the same color.
>>
>>(The colors won't be like this at the control panel)
>>\
>
>
> True.. He would put blue to orange and blue/wht to orange/wht
>
>>This box should have two phone wires coming in, and the red and greeen
>>of one wire connected to the red and green screws of the box (by which
>>I mean, the screws are all the same color but they have different
>>color little internal wires connected to them.  They may also have an
>>R and G embossed in the plastic.)  And the red and green of the other
>>wire is connected to the black and yellow screws of the box.  That way
>>all four wires go to your burglar alarm which will just pass them
>>through to each other normally, but will intercept the phone line when
>>there is an alarm and it wants to call the central station.  IF this
>>box doesn't have two reds and two greens, post back with more details.
>
> <sigh>
>
>
> <snip>
>>
>>
>>Also post to alt.security.alarms .
>
>
> Please do....
>
> x-posted
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