Re: Oil Refinery

[Frank Olson <Use-the-email-links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Robert L Bass wrote:
>>> And also wrong.
>>
>> How so?
>
> Your suggestion is to violate code by using non-plenum
> cable in places where you know it is required.

I don't see him suggesting that anywhere.  In "the real world", the
customer is always right.  If your bid includes the proper plenum rated
wire and "the other guy's" doesn't, the customer is ALWAYS going to go
with the "lowest bid".  He may not know about the wiring requirement and
most "assume" the company they employ is going to use the right wire.
In the rare instance where the customer tells you to use non-plenum
rated wire, getting him to sign off will help (as Matt's stated).  I've
yet to come across a customer that's indifferent to code or comes right
out and tells you to violate it.


> Permission
> from the client does not excuse you from code constraints.

On that we agree.  But you also have to read the rest of what Matt said.


> It will also gain you a bad re with the AHJ.

There are plenty of companies that are under scrutiny of the AHJ.  After
you got nailed for failure to pull a permit, I'm sure yours was "under
the microscope" for years.


> If a customer
> asks you to do something you know is wrong,

I've never yet run across a customer that's asked that.  Your experience
may be different though.


> ... Any customer
> who can't see that is someone you don't want as a
> customer.

Exactly.


>
> We get calls at least once a week from people starting
> home day care businesses.  In many states they are
> now required to install fire alarm systems, even in a private
> residence, before opening for business.  The alarms are
> basic -- pull stations ate all exit doors, strobe / horns in
> the common areas and strobes only in the bathrooms.
> At least once a month someone calls asking for a 110VAC
> strobe/horn and pull stations, expecting to jerry rig a fire
> alarm system.  I always explain why that won't pass code,
> tell them what they actually need and explain how to wire
> it.  Most are glad to get accurate information once they
> realize their original plan would have been a waste.  A very
> few insist they just want to "get by".  I decline the sale.
> People like that cause more trouble than it's worth and I
> don't need the sale enough to bother.  Neither do you.

Heh....  right...  So when's the last time you sold a DSC system (which
you say are "crap").  A customer clicks on the "buy now" button for a
pull station and you'll have us believe that you're going to "talk" to
them?  What's to stop them from "calling you" (other than the fact that
you rarely answer the phone), "talking" to you about what you're going
to propose and then ordering the equipment to do it "their way" anyway?
  Bass...  you're so full of shit your eyes are brown.  It also explains
why you're constantly dabbing at your ears with that Kleenex.