Re: OT: Physicians for a National Health Program

[Frank Olson <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Frank Olson" <use_the_email_links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OAN8j.6005$_r2.331@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Have you actually read the Quran?
>
> not in its entirety, but a good 50% or so.

Now *you're* lying.


>
>> Quoting "Wiki" as an "authority" on the Quran is about as ignorant as you
>> can get.
>
> as is misinterpreting very basic statements.  i _clearly_ stated that had it
> not been after midnight i would have made a greater effort.  my wiki example
> was _clearly_ a starting point.

Your "starting point" should have been from the "50%" of the Quran
you've stated you've read.


>
>
>> According to your definition (which you obviously happen to share with
>> "Bush") every Muslim in the US is now bound to join in the phony "Jihad"
>> declared by the lunatic responsible for 911 (and every other idiot that
>> spews hatred for Israel and the great US Devil).
>
> by very definition it isnt possible for muslims to become "good" americans:

Horseschidt.  Who's a "good American" by your definition?


>
> [quote]
> Can A Muslim Become A Good American Citizen? Can a good Muslim be a good
> American?
>
> Theologically - no.  Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of
> Arabia.

"The moon God of Arabia?"  All Muslims will tell you that there is no
other God but Allah.


>
> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except
> Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Uh-huh...  Convenient "quote" don't you think??  The Quran also mentions
"tolerance", "forbearance", "forgiveness".  I figure that most of these
so called "Islamic Jihadists" need to sit down with someone that doesn't
"pick" select bits of the Quran to preach, but is able to put the entire
book into perspective.



>
> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam
> and the Quran.

I thought his "allegiance" was to Allah, the moon god of arabia.


>
> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
> in prayer five times a day.

I thought his "allegiance" was to Allah, the moon god of arabia.


>
> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
> with Christians or Jews.

You actually believe this crap?


>
> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders),
> who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great
> Satan.

I know several "mullahs" that preach Peace, tolerance, love, and charity.


>
> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and
> scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Heh...  right...


>
> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
> since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be
> corrupt.

On the contrary, the Quran makes frequent reference to the "Old
Testament".  It also references the teachings of Jesus.  I take it the
"50%" of it that you've stated you've read hasn't mentioned that.  Must
be a very selective "50%".


>
> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.
> Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

So much for Egypt then...


>
> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the
> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as
> heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent
> names.

Yet, the Muslims consider themselves "one nation"...  Sort of like the
Jews...


>
> [end quote]

Where'd you quote this from?  It's usually considered proper to mention
the source.



>> Bush doesn't understand Islam any more than you do and he's trying to
>> convince you that it's basically "evil" (which makes him an idiot).
>
> perhaps its just coincidence that nearly every act of terror in our country
> comes from those who worship the quran.  here is a little test to better
> understand those peaceful muslims who embrace the quran.
>
> 1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
>
> a. Superman
> b. Jay Leno
> c. Harry Potter
> d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

The shooting of Robert Kennedy was a terrorist attack??  That's the
first I've heard.


>
> 2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
>
> a. Olga Corbett
> b. Sitting Bull
> c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Your "argument" breaks down right here.  This "act of terror" didn't
take place in "your" country.


>
> 3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
>
> a. Lost Norwegians
> b. Elvis
> c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

I didn't know "Iran" was a US State.


>
> 4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
>
> a. John Dillinger
> b. The King of Sweden
> c. The Boy Scouts
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

I didn't know "Lebanon" was US State.


>
> 5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
>
> a. A pizza delivery boy
> b. Pee Wee Herman
> c. Geraldo Rivera
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Beirut's in Lebanon isn't it?  What's that...  the 54th US State??


>
> 6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old
> American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
>
> a. The Smurfs
> b. Davy Jones
> c. The Little Mermaid
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

That happened in international waters, in the Med.  That's about as far
from the US is as "Lebanon".


>
> 7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying
> to rescue passengers was murdered by:
>
> a. Captain Kidd
> b. Charles Lindberg
> c. Mother Teresa
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Oh..  Right.  Greece..  the 55th American State...


>
> 8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
>
> a. Scooby Doo
> b. The Tooth Fairy
> c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Lockerbie is in Great Britain (the 52nd US State)...


>
> 9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
>
> a. Richard Simmons
> b. Grandma Moses
> c. Michael Jordan
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Can't fault you there...  WTC is definitely in NY.


>
> 10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
>
> a. Mr. Rogers
> b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
> c. The World Wrestling Federation
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Check...  Kenya and Tanzania...  The 56th and 57th US State...



>
> 11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to
> take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into
> the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.
> Thousands of people were killed by:
>
> a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
> b. The Supreme Court of Florida
> c. Mr. Bean
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Check...  The WTC is definitely in NY.


>
> 12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
>
> a. Enron
> b. The Lutheran Church
> c. The NFL
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Afghanistan...  Is that the 60th or 61st US State?  I've lost count...


>
> 13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
>
> a. Bonnie and Clyde
> b. Captain Kangaroo
> c. Billy Graham
> d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Was that in Lebanon again???  Or Iraq???


>
> ....and this is dated.

I dunno...  I've lost track...

You forgot to mention Oklahoma City...

Was that bombed by:

a. Bugs Bunny & Daffy Duck?
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?
c. White male idiots mostly between the ages of 17 and 40?
d. Captain Armenia?

Y'know...  I never thought I'd ever actually get to correspond with a
real "Amurican" Redneck Asshole...  Thanks for this.