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>So how are 'we' causing the same thing on mars?
That easy. Man did it. You see they sent these two probes up there (you =
know, Spirit and Opportunity) and all that microwave energy from Earth =
to Mars used to communicate with them has started the Martian polar =
regions to warm up and melt the caps. It is a Republican secret of =
course. However I think RLB and his buddies have found out that Bush is =
doing it to divert attention from climate concerns here on Earth. When =
Hillary is President she'll fix 'em. First thing she is going to put =
Bush in prison in Gitmo for war and environmental crimes and hire Monica =
to guard him. Of course since Monica is a big girl she is going to be =
provided with a very skimpy blue prison uniform, just to make the heat =
there more tolerable for her. The Bureau of Prisons will provide Monica =
with lots of Spray and Wash too so she'll always look spotless.
"JoeRaisin" <joeraisin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message =
news:s3JSh.605$Xq6.355@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Robert L Bass wrote:
>>>All this global warming talk assumes we are
>>>on some peaceful, stable, benign planet and
>>>that only humankind can foul it up, or save it...
>>=20
>>=20
>> No, that is not correct. Numerous mainstream
>> scientific studies indicate that (1) climate change
>> is cyclical with cycles lasting tens of thousands
>> of years; and (2) the curret cycle has been
>> significantly altered by human activity. In laymen's
>> terms, what was a very gradual uphill climb in
>> average annual temperature has suddenly (in
>> geological terms 100 years is sudden) become a
>> much steeper slope.
>>
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> So how are 'we' causing the same thing on mars?
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> =
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
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>> This has been the concensus among virtually all
>> serious scientific studies on the subject for years.
>>=20
>=20
> And any study that doesn't blame mankind for global warming is:
>=20
> A) not serious
> B) Doesn't get massive government grants
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>> On the other side are contrarian, outlier "scientists"
>> primarily bought and paid for by industrial interests
>> who claim that they have examined the same data
>> yet see no problem.
>>
>> It is noteworthy that some of the same "scientists"
>> who deny that industrial pollution is endangering
>> the planet also stood up for the cause of such
>> public interest magnates as Phillip Morris when
>> they tried to quash government reports that
>> smoking causes cancer and later, that second-
>> hand smoke is hazardous.
>>
>=20
> Names? Dates?
>=20
>=20
>> Some of the same names crop up again in places
>> like Klamath river basin where (with the assistance
>> of a certain Republican administration) a bio
>> disaster occured.
>>=20
>>=20
>>>Some remind us that there have been climatic
>>>fluctuations throughout time, and there might
>>>be some variations that give us reasons to
>>>quibble about it.
>>=20
>>=20
>> There is a lot more than "some variations" and
>> there's reason to do a lot more than quibble.
>> Real scientific evidence points to a slowly
>> building disaster which can still be averted if
>> individuals and governments do something
>> about it. Alternatively, we can pretend it's nothing
>> and leave things as they are. We'll likely only
>> see the beginning of what this causes. Our
>> children and grandchildren will pay the price.
>> A few decades away there will probably be
>> mass starvation. Some estimates say that
>> over a billion people will die from coming drought.
>>=20
>=20
> It would be more believable that mankind is causing it if the person=20
> shouting the loudest actaully believed it himself.
>=20
> His behavior shows he does not. For him its a money grab.
>=20
>> If you know anything about weather, you know
>> that a 2=BA-3=BA rise in ocean temperatures can
>> mean the difference between a season of
>> several category 2 and 3 hurricanes and one
>> with a dozen or more category 5 storms. New
>> Orleans was nothing compared to what will
>> happen when a category 5 storm strikes Miami
>> even despite the new construction codes.
>>=20
>>=20
>>>I don't see it that way at all...
>>=20
>>=20
>> That doesn't mean it isn't happening. It only
>> means you don't see it.
>>=20
>>=20
>>>Where did man have a hand in any of these
>>>events?
>>>- Precambrian period (4.6 billion to 523 million
>>>years ago)
>>=20
>> - Vendian period (523-543 million years ago)
>>=20
>>>- Both Precambrian and Vendian periods host
>>>to at least one mass extinction each.
>>=20
>>=20
>> The real questions isn't what happened 523
>> million years ago. It isn't even what will happen
>> 523 million years from now. The issue is what
>> will happen in the next few decades -- perhaps
>> the next few generations.
>>=20
>>=20
>>>So boys and girls lots of things can go wrong
>>>and plenty did go wrong.
>>=20
>>=20
>> So that makes it alright to destroy what we have
>> now?
>>=20
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> Maybe if everyone in the world bought carbon offsets from Al...
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size=3D2>>So how are 'we'=20
causing the same thing on mars?<BR><BR>That easy. Man did it. You see =
they sent=20
these two probes up there (you know, Spirit and Opportunity) and all =
that=20
microwave energy from Earth to Mars used to communicate with them has =
started=20
the Martian polar regions to warm up and melt the caps. It is a =
Republican=20
secret of course. However I think RLB and his buddies have found out =
that Bush=20
is doing it to divert attention from climate concerns here on Earth. =
When=20
Hillary is President she'll fix 'em. First thing she is going to put =
Bush in=20
prison in Gitmo for war and environmental crimes and hire Monica to =
guard him.=20
Of course since Monica is a big girl she is going to be provided=20
with a very skimpy blue prison uniform, just to make the heat there =
more=20
tolerable for her. The Bureau of Prisons will provide =
Monica with lots=20
of Spray and Wash too so she'll always look spotless.<BR><BR>"JoeRaisin" =
<joeraisin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message=20
news:s3JSh.605$Xq6.355@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Robert =
L Bass=20
wrote:<BR>>>>All this global warming talk assumes we=20
are<BR>>>>on some peaceful, stable, benign planet=20
and<BR>>>>that only humankind can foul it up, or save =
it...<BR>>>=20
<BR>>> <BR>>> No, that is not correct. Numerous=20
mainstream<BR>>> scientific studies indicate that (1) climate=20
change<BR>>> is cyclical with cycles lasting tens of =
thousands<BR>>>=20
of years; and (2) the curret cycle has been<BR>>> significantly =
altered by=20
human activity. In laymen's<BR>>> terms, what was a very =
gradual=20
uphill climb in<BR>>> average annual temperature has suddenly=20
(in<BR>>> geological terms 100 years is sudden) become =
a<BR>>> much=20
steeper slope.<BR>>><BR>> <BR>> So how are 'we' causing the =
same=20
thing on mars?<BR>> <BR>>=20
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html<=
BR>>=20
<BR>> <BR>>> This has been the concensus among virtually=20
all<BR>>> serious scientific studies on the subject for =
years.<BR>>>=20
<BR>> <BR>> And any study that doesn't blame mankind for global =
warming=20
is:<BR>> <BR>> A) not serious<BR>> B) Doesn't get massive =
government=20
grants<BR>> <BR>>> On the other side are contrarian, outlier=20
"scientists"<BR>>> primarily bought and paid for by industrial=20
interests<BR>>> who claim that they have examined the same=20
data<BR>>> yet see no problem.<BR>>><BR>>> It is =
noteworthy=20
that some of the same "scientists"<BR>>> who deny that industrial=20
pollution is endangering<BR>>> the planet also stood up for the =
cause of=20
such<BR>>> public interest magnates as Phillip Morris =
when<BR>>>=20
they tried to quash government reports that<BR>>> smoking causes =
cancer=20
and later, that second-<BR>>> hand smoke is =
hazardous.<BR>>><BR>>=20
<BR>> Names? Dates?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Some of the =
same=20
names crop up again in places<BR>>> like Klamath river basin where =
(with=20
the assistance<BR>>> of a certain Republican administration) a=20
bio<BR>>> disaster occured.<BR>>> <BR>>> =
<BR>>>>Some=20
remind us that there have been climatic<BR>>>>fluctuations =
throughout=20
time, and there might<BR>>>>be some variations that give us =
reasons=20
to<BR>>>>quibble about it.<BR>>> <BR>>> =
<BR>>> There=20
is a lot more than "some variations" and<BR>>> there's reason to =
do a lot=20
more than quibble.<BR>>> Real scientific evidence points to a=20
slowly<BR>>> building disaster which can still be averted =
if<BR>>>=20
individuals and governments do something<BR>>> about it. =20
Alternatively, we can pretend it's nothing<BR>>> and leave things =
as they=20
are. We'll likely only<BR>>> see the beginning of what this=20
causes. Our<BR>>> children and grandchildren will pay the=20
price.<BR>>> A few decades away there will probably be<BR>>> =
mass=20
starvation. Some estimates say that<BR>>> over a billion =
people will=20
die from coming drought.<BR>>> <BR>> <BR>> It would be more=20
believable that mankind is causing it if the person <BR>> shouting =
the=20
loudest actaully believed it himself.<BR>> <BR>> His behavior =
shows he=20
does not. For him its a money grab.<BR>> <BR>>> If you =
know=20
anything about weather, you know<BR>>> that a 2=BA-3=BA rise in =
ocean=20
temperatures can<BR>>> mean the difference between a season =
of<BR>>>=20
several category 2 and 3 hurricanes and one<BR>>> with a dozen or =
more=20
category 5 storms. New<BR>>> Orleans was nothing compared to =
what=20
will<BR>>> happen when a category 5 storm strikes =
Miami<BR>>> even=20
despite the new construction codes.<BR>>> <BR>>> =
<BR>>>>I=20
don't see it that way at all...<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> =
That=20
doesn't mean it isn't happening. It only<BR>>> means you =
don't see=20
it.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>>Where did man have a hand =
in any of=20
these<BR>>>>events?<BR>>>>- Precambrian period (4.6 =
billion to=20
523 million<BR>>>>years ago)<BR>>> <BR>>> - Vendian =
period=20
(523-543 million years ago)<BR>>> <BR>>>>- Both =
Precambrian and=20
Vendian periods host<BR>>>>to at least one mass extinction=20
each.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> The real questions isn't =
what=20
happened 523<BR>>> million years ago. It isn't even what =
will=20
happen<BR>>> 523 million years from now. The issue is=20
what<BR>>> will happen in the next few decades -- =
perhaps<BR>>> the=20
next few generations.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>>So boys =
and girls=20
lots of things can go wrong<BR>>>>and plenty did go =
wrong.<BR>>>=20
<BR>>> <BR>>> So that makes it alright to destroy what we=20
have<BR>>> now?<BR>>> <BR>> <BR>> Maybe if everyone in =
the=20
world bought carbon offsets from Al...</FONT></BODY></HTML>
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