Re: Ademco Vista Programming

["Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Then I take it you have no problems with people publicly posting logins to
secure websites then? Ask him why he doesn't post Napco or DSC's site logins

"Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Some manufacturers like Bosch and Electronic Lines don't seem to have any
> security on their web sites. Anyone can see everything. Some like Napco,
> Honeywell, DMP, and Paradox for example have various levels of security
for
> signing into their site. Bass says that purchasers of DIY need access to
the
> manufacturer's web site the same way a dealer would need site access to
aid
> in installation of their own equipment. Since I have no experience in the
> DIY market I am in no position to refute or support that notion. My
thought
> is that certain panels may be easy enough for a DIY to program. The
> Honeywell Vista 128FB as well as many others would not be on my list of
> panels that a DIY person should attempt to program. I don't know how
> Honeywell feels about Bass posting the login to their site. It might be
> interesting to see what their official position is on the subject. Has
> anyone asked? Honeywell cetainly doesn't mind it enought to stop selling
to
> Bass it seems. If Honeywell is taking money from Bass aren't their
resources
> available to him as a customer of Honeywell? If Honeywell were truly
worried
> about unauthorized web site access they could use Microsoft WebTS and/or
an
> individual user name and password logins instead of a common login. In the
> end who answers the question as to whether or not Bass is responsible to
> protect Honeywell's interests in limiting access to their web site, or
even
> if that is something that Honeywell actually cares about. How much
> responsibility one puts on Bass in any case seems to me to be an
individual
> matter. In this regard Honeywell is not left without recourse and can
chose
> to choke down access to their site when they decide it is necessary. It
> seems to me if Bass were truly interested in what anyone else thought he
> would merely copy wholesale the web sites of the equipment manufacturers
he
> sold and incorporate it (with permission) in a web site of his own. Bass
> could then lock his own site down in a more aggressive fashion (so no one
> here would see it) and use exclusive access to his site as a sales tool
for
> the DIY folks he sells to. I don't know anything about the DIY market, but
I
> would think the DIY web FAQ would not be the same as a regular dealer web
> FAQ. I am not trying to tell Bass how to run his business, just stating
what
> makes sense to me. Honeywell itself is not without its own critics, like
> Napco, that think that selling to dealers and competing with dealers at
the
> same time is unethical. Seems like one would have to make his or her own
> judgements about how ethical or unethical Bass is compared to Honeywell
and
> which do you wish to support. Honeywell is a $30 billion company. As a
> pratical matter even if Bass hated Honeywell as much as some who post here
> seem to hate Bass, I doubt he could think of any way to damage Honeywell.
> Bass states that the reason he posts the login is to help his customers,
> Bass doesn't mention any interest in hurting Honeywell. I don't think
> Honeywell is too concerned about Bass or anyone else that posts here
having
> any real impact on that $30 billion figure.
>
> "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >> I am not avoiding it. It seems that most everyone here has been talking
> >> to
> >> Bass or about Bass for along time and to date nothing has seemed to
> >> influence him one way or another. Me adding my 2 cents is unlikely to
> >> make
> >> any difference. I took note of Jim's comments. Agreeing with Jim on one
> >> point doesn't take me down the road to wishing any harm on Bass. Having
> > just
> >> buried my friend from a slow terrible unfair death last week I see no
> > reason
> >> to support or condemn any side here. I have no ability to control
others
> > in
> >> any way and no desire to. It is enough for me to tend to the details of
> >> my
> >> own life. If Bass wants to know what I think of his methods I suspect
he
> >> will ask me. If Jim wants to know I can say it is something I would not
> >> choose to do.
> >
> > That wasn't what I was saying, Jim said what he said because RLB for the
> > upteenth time public posted the login to Honeywell's secure website. You
> > must have missed it
> >
> > I seriously doubt anyone wishes harm on RLB, certainly not me
> >
> >
>
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