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They had same thing happen at Allegheny county airport during a power =
outage and something went wrong and foam dumped.=20
This facilty is out doors so other than loss of product and rack fill =
time for trucks while clean up is taking place not as big a liabilty but =
ya still got to be damm careful.
is there school or corces wich could be taken to get certfied
"Robert L Bass" <robertbass1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message =
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> You ever see those pix of the foam
> "test" at a hanger? Extremely funny.
> I think someone posted a link to it
> here about a year ago.
I think you're referring to this. It's been all over the Internet for =
a good while.
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=3D10491
It was at Ellsworth AFB and (apparently) it was earlier this year. =
Olson had nothing to do with the foam test although I wouldn't be =
surprised if he later claims to have been there.
Here's another guy's take on it:
Sunday, April 16, 2006
PARANOIA in the real world: Foam hangar=20
You may have seen (via Boing Boing and elsewhere) this photo series of =
flame-retardant foam filling an airplane hangar at Ellsworth Air Force =
Base, South Dakota.
Last August the Air Force installed "a modern high-expansion foam =
system" in a hangar for B-1 bombers. The civilian contractor, with =
military approval, tested the system. "Required coverage occurred within =
one minute of the system being activated," says an Air Force press =
release. "The test was so successful, the foam reached the observation =
platform where officials were documenting the procedure. The Air Force =
required a minimum of one meter of foam to be achieved in four minutes =
or less. For testing purposes, the foam was allowed to disperse for the =
full four minutes."
And then -- uh -- it kept going. And going. Finally they had to open =
the hangar doors and send a seismic cascade of shaving cream out onto =
the tarmac among the planes.
All this sounds totally familiar to every PARANOIA player. But the =
real Alpha Complex angle, for me, is the military's stony-faced spin =
control at debriefing. Did something go wrong? Might some official's job =
be at risk? Not at all, Friend Computer! This planned and meticulously =
executed test succeeded beyond all hope! From the press release:
The system worked so well the exterior door of the hangar had to be =
opened before the test was fully completed. These events account for the =
photos of the amount of foam inside and outside of the hangar.
So, did someone have a gross miscue? No. On the contrary, a fire =
suppression system responsible for helping protect vital =
mission-essential assets and, most importantly, for helping safeguard =
Airmen's lives, worked extremely well. The foam system exceeded Air =
Force standards, Colonel Singh said.
Boy, no kidding. As you might expect, the Air Force takes a stern view =
of citizens who frivolously send around these photos:
Master Sgt. Dana Rogers, 28th Communications Squadron superintendent =
of network security, said e-mails such as the one depicting the foam =
test "misrepresent our capabilities" and can even cause damage to =
computer networks. "You think it's so funny, so you send it to 10 =
people. Then, they send it to 10 more. This takes up an extremely large =
amount of e-mail space and can lead to the loss of resources," he said.
Apparently the foam did no damage, and no one was hurt. I presume our =
nation's fleet of multi-billion-dollar bombers could have withstood the =
foam, had it reached them. But the idea that Air Force computer networks =
can't handle the latest e-mail joke to make the rounds -- now that =
sounds like Alpha Complex.=20
Posted by: Allen Varney / 7:56 AM (3) comments
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Regards,
Robert L Bass
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4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota =B7 Florida =B7 34233
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They had same thing happen at Allegheny =
county=20
airport during a power outage and something went wrong and foam dumped.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This facilty is out doors so other than =
loss of=20
product and rack fill time for trucks while clean up is taking place not =
as big=20
a liabilty but ya still got to be damm careful.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>is there school or corces wich could be =
taken to=20
get certfied</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Robert L Bass" <<A=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>> You ever see those pix of the =
foam</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>> "test" at a hanger? Extremely =
funny.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>> I think someone posted a link to=20
it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>> here about a year ago.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I think you're referring to this. It's been =
all over=20
the Internet for a good while.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=3D10491";><FONT=20
size=3D2>http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=3D10491</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>It was at Ellsworth AFB and (apparently) it was =
earlier this=20
year. Olson had nothing to do with the foam test although I =
wouldn't be=20
surprised if he later claims to have been there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Here's another guy's take on it:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<H3><FONT size=3D2>Sunday, April 16, 2006</FONT></H3>
<H2><FONT size=3D2>PARANOIA in the real world: Foam hangar</FONT><A=20
name=3D114518869671224654><FONT size=3D2> </FONT></A></H2>
<DIV class=3DblogPost><FONT size=3D2>You may have seen (via </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://boingboing.net";><FONT size=3D2>Boing =
Boing</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>=20
and elsewhere) this photo series of </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D"http://cellar.org/showthread.php?%20s=3Db5a22752534694c7efa8f42f6=
db979f5&t=3D10491"><FONT=20
size=3D2>flame-retardant foam filling an airplane =
hangar</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>=20
at Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota.<BR><BR>Last August the Air =
Force=20
installed "a modern high-expansion foam system" in a hangar for B-1 =
bombers.=20
The civilian contractor, with military approval, tested the system. =
"Required=20
coverage occurred within one minute of the system being activated," =
says an=20
</FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=3D123019117";><FONT=20
size=3D2>Air Force press release</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>. "The test =
was so=20
successful, the foam reached the observation platform where officials =
were=20
documenting the procedure. The Air Force required a minimum of one =
meter of=20
foam to be achieved in four minutes or less. For testing purposes, the =
foam=20
was allowed to disperse for the full four minutes."<BR><BR>And then -- =
uh --=20
it kept going. And going. Finally they had to open the hangar doors =
and send a=20
seismic cascade of </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/shavingc.htm";><FONT =
size=3D2>shaving=20
cream</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2> out onto the tarmac among the =
planes.<BR><BR>All=20
this sounds totally familiar to every </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/rpg/series.php?qsSeries=3D19";><=
FONT=20
size=3D2>PARANOIA</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2> player. But the real Alpha =
Complex=20
angle, for me, is the military's stony-faced spin control at =
debriefing. Did=20
something go wrong? Might some official's job be at risk? Not at all, =
Friend=20
Computer! This planned and meticulously executed test succeeded beyond =
all=20
hope! From the </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=3D123019117";><FONT =
size=3D2>press=20
release</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>:<BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2>The system worked so well the exterior door =
of the=20
hangar had to be opened before the test was fully completed. These =
events=20
account for the photos of the amount of foam inside and outside of =
the=20
hangar.<BR><BR>So, did someone have a gross miscue? No. On the =
contrary, a=20
fire suppression system responsible for helping protect vital=20
mission-essential assets and, most importantly, for helping =
safeguard=20
Airmen=92s lives, worked extremely well. The foam system exceeded =
Air Force=20
standards, Colonel Singh said.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Boy, no=20
kidding. As you might expect, the Air Force takes a stern view of =
citizens who=20
frivolously send around these photos:<BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2>Master Sgt. Dana Rogers, 28th =
Communications=20
Squadron superintendent of network security, said e-mails such as =
the one=20
depicting the foam test "misrepresent our capabilities" and can even =
cause=20
damage to computer networks. "You think it=92s so funny, so you send =
it to 10=20
people. Then, they send it to 10 more. This takes up an extremely =
large=20
amount of e-mail space and can lead to the loss of resources," he=20
said.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT size=3D2>Apparently the foam did =
no damage,=20
and no one was hurt. I presume our nation's fleet of =
multi-billion-dollar=20
bombers could have withstood the foam, had it reached them. But the =
idea that=20
Air Force computer networks can't handle the latest e-mail joke to =
make the=20
rounds -- now that sounds like Alpha Complex. </FONT>
<DIV class=3Dbyline><FONT size=3D2>Posted by: </FONT><A =
title=3D"permanent link"=20
=
href=3D"http://www.costik.com/paranoia/2006/04/paranoia-in-real-world-foa=
m-hangar.html"><FONT=20
size=3D2>Allen Varney / 7:56 AM</FONT></A><FONT =
size=3D2> </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.costik.com/paranoia/2006/04/paranoia-in-real-world-foa=
m-hangar.html"><FONT=20
size=3D2>(3) comments</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dbyline><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dbyline><BR><FONT size=3D2>-- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dbyline><FONT size=3D2>Regards,<BR>Robert L =
Bass</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D><BR>Bass Home=20
Electronics<BR>941-866-1100<BR>4883 Fallcrest Circle<BR>Sarasota =B7 =
Florida =B7=20
34233<BR></FONT><A href=3D"http://www.bassburglaralarms.com";><FONT=20
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