Re: Ademco Vista Programming

["Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

"Roland" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1O2eh.42$GB1.0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> You're right! I don't think it is a big deal . If what is available behind
> the door is free, and it is also left outside the door for free, then
there
> is no difference in the end.

So posting logins to a secure website is okay when some of the stuff inside
is also outside? The logic you use is staggering

> Perhaps one day Honeywell will use their
> already secure infrastructure to issue individual logins and put something
> there on the site worth securing (that isn't already available nearly
> everywhere else). However that would cost money to administer the site
> properly and Honeywell might not want to spend that money.
> Again, I didn't
> post the login. I said I would not choose to do it. Someone else has a
> different idea. That is merely his choice.

Then there is no right or wrong, its only a choice

> He has his reasons. I don't
> recall any document that anyone signed (including Bass) that described how
> to use that password. I have had to sign such documents for other sites
> access logins.

Gosh lets look at the terms of use posted on the site shall we?

      "Honeywell International Inc. authorizes you to copy documents
published by Honeywell International Inc. on the World Wide Web for personal
or non-commercial use only, provided any copy of these documents that you
make shall retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained
herein. Except as expressly provided, nothing contained in this paragraph
shall be construed as conferring any license or right under any Honeywell
International Inc. copyright. No materials available on the Honeywell
International Inc. Web site may be stored, transmitted by any means
(including but not limited to electronic, mechanical, scanning, photocopying
or recording) without prior written permission of Honeywell International
Inc. "

      I could be wrong but materials might include secure passwords as well
as ALL of the manuals, you I imagine will come up with yet another reason
why it's okay without really saying it's okay



> Bass says the reasons are not to hurt anyone but to help.

He can easily email the manuals without giving out logins to secure websites


> Whether I agree or not is not important.

It sounds like you do agree indirectly, lets recap shall we?

So far it appears you have no problems with giving out logins to secure
webpages IF

1. They use HTTP instead of HTTPS (odd but hey you said it)

2. Its on another web page available for downloading

3. They say they are trying to help

4.

5. Honeywell doesn't give out individual passwords

6. It's Robert Bass

> In my view there are only two ways
> to stop it. One is Bass the other is Honeywell. I'll let one or the other
> take care of it.

Again you were the one a while back asked why people slamed RLB, Jim
correctly pointed that out so might I suggest you not ask questions like
that in the future since you obviously can't seem to handle the answers