Re: Ademco Vista Programming

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Yep. And their actions against RLB were posted here earlier this year.
I missed that. It would be interesting to see. Does anyone have a copy to
paste here?
"Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I don't know how
>> Honeywell feels about Bass posting the login to their site. It might be
>> interesting to see what their official position is on the subject. Has
>> anyone asked?
>
> Yep. And their actions against RLB were posted here earlier this year.
>
>>Honeywell cetainly doesn't mind it enought to >stop selling to
>> Bass it seems.
>
> With conditions
>
>> If Honeywell is taking money from Bass aren't their resources
>> available to him as a customer of Honeywell?
>
> They won't do anything about his misuse of the resources granted to him
> unless Honeywell is somehow damaged. But they do have their eye one him as
> do some of the other majors.
>
>>or even
>> if that is something that Honeywell actually cares >about. How much
>> responsibility one puts on Bass in any case seems to me to be an
> individual
>> matter.
>
> This is probably true. There are those that sell parts, site unseen, and
> there are those that sell secuirty. I think those that sell security see
> the
> downside to some of RLB's actions and don't agree with it, to the point
> that
> they don't even agree to disagree. They are very vocal, possibly to
> protect
> other readers that these actions are possible wrong and could be damaging.
>
> It
>> seems to me if Bass were truly interested in what anyone else thought
>
> I think he has demonstrated that he doesn't, but that is his prerogative.
>
>
>>(with permission)
>
> That is where he screwed up earlier. He doesn't believe he needs it. He
> got
> caught and served with cease and desists on some things.
>
>> I am not trying to tell Bass how to run his >business, just stating what
>> makes sense to me.
>
> And probably everyone else. But don't try to tell him anything because he
> refuses to listen. He holds himself out to be on a much higher level and
> smarter than the "primates" that participate in this group.
>
>>Seems like one would have to make his or her >own
>> judgements about how ethical or unethical Bass is compared to Honeywell
> and
>> which do you wish to support.
>
> Didn't I just mention something about parts sellers?
>
>> Bass states that the reason he posts the login is to help his customers,
>
> It is to sell parts and to lower his "800" bill. His customer service
> history is well documented.  He wants the point of sale and not
> necessarily
> all the small talk that goes along with it. He gives them access, which
> takes away alot of leg work on his part. Do you really think that an
> online
> business wants all the shoppers to take up their time with "let me look at
> all that is on the market before I make a decision". I know how this works
> having a travel agency. People will call wanting to plan a cruise. The
> agents will ask them where to and when. They don't have a clue. "Find out
> about all the Caribbean and Mediterranean for next summer". Well that is
> about two hundred different possibilities. We don't have time for that and
> prices change all the time. We send them the brochures, let them do the
> homework and narrow it down. Then we spend the time with them planning
> their
> vacation. I am sure RLB is doing the same thing. What we don't do, is give
> them the number directly into the cruise line admin department with our
> pass
> word. This is reserved for agents. Similar situation without the security
> issue. Not that access to Honeywell's website is any kind of a security
> breach but other information that has been released to the general public
> on
> this forum , with no regard for its sensitivity, could be.
>
>> I don't think
>> Honeywell is too concerned about Bass or anyone else that posts here
> having
>> any real impact on that $30 billion figure.
>
> :o]
>
>>
>> "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >> I am not avoiding it. It seems that most everyone here has been
>> >> talking
>> >> to
>> >> Bass or about Bass for along time and to date nothing has seemed to
>> >> influence him one way or another. Me adding my 2 cents is unlikely to
>> >> make
>> >> any difference. I took note of Jim's comments. Agreeing with Jim on
>> >> one
>> >> point doesn't take me down the road to wishing any harm on Bass.
>> >> Having
>> > just
>> >> buried my friend from a slow terrible unfair death last week I see no
>> > reason
>> >> to support or condemn any side here. I have no ability to control
> others
>> > in
>> >> any way and no desire to. It is enough for me to tend to the details
>> >> of
>> >> my
>> >> own life. If Bass wants to know what I think of his methods I suspect
> he
>> >> will ask me. If Jim wants to know I can say it is something I would
>> >> not
>> >> choose to do.
>> >
>> > That wasn't what I was saying, Jim said what he said because RLB for
>> > the
>> > upteenth time public posted the login to Honeywell's secure website.
>> > You
>> > must have missed it
>> >
>> > I seriously doubt anyone wishes harm on RLB, certainly not me
>> >
>> >
>>
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