Re: Somebody at Napco Watches this Group

[Robert L Bass <sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:20:11 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> "Robert L Bass" <sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:c30842pdlroeolfu3bu4otgp09c2cebj3h@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Yeah, but it was also you that was quoting tip and
> > > ring incorrectly to people several years ago because
> > > you learned it off a Napco panel.  I figured if I
> > > mentioned one I would have to mention the other.
> > > LOL.
> >
> > When did I quote tip and ring incorrectly?  The way I learned it (not off
> a
> > Napco panel but from reading voltage with a meter) is "ring = red =
> negative".
> > If I recall correctly it was Ashbury who got it wrong (along with almost
> > everything else) in his so-called FAQ.
> >
>
> Um... on a meter red is positive. Confused
> the heck of me back when I worked for the
> phone company and was learning about
> telephone as a teenager...

Yep.  Same here except my job for the phone company was in the data processing
center.  I learned to work on phones long before that, fixing our house' wiring.
The first time I checked the voltage and saw that red was negative I thought it
was reversed so I "fixed" it.  All of a sudden our brand new touchtone phones
would no longer dial.  I put the wires back and they worked fine.

Some years later I noticed that the telco guys would sometimes deliberately
reverse the leads if you didn't pay for touchtone service (it was an extra $2 or
$3 then).  Swapping them made touchtone phones work.

> As far as I know only on telephones red is negative...

I'm not aware of any other circuits that are wired that way either.

> Almost every new tech I knew after that got it wrong
> until somebody explained to them that telephone is
> just different.  "If tip is positive then tip must be red."
> Wrong, but it sure seems to make sense huh?  I've
> heard a few engineers say that, "Mr Bell just did things
> his own way."

Bell's original wiring wasn't red and green anyway.  BTW, do you know who the
first alarm installer was and who he partnered with?

> I'm not gonna get in a pissing match with you like so
> many others have.  You are welcome to Google yourself
> and see if I'm wrong.  I could be.  I've been reading this
> group since about 1996 or 97 I think so that is a lot of
> Googling.  You only have to have said it wrong one time
> for me to be right.  LOL.

Could be.  I've made mistakes now and then.

> I recall Jacob stating that incorrectly and you correcting
> him once also, but that was much later.

Ashbury got almost everything wrong.  Remember when he boasted about using motor
gasket cement on alarm circuits?  What a nut-case.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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The Online DIY Store
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