Re: "Blanks" kill actors

["Shaun Eli" <missingchild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Jim,

I never said to limit your access to firearms, as long as you don't
have a criminal record or a restraining order against you, and can pass
a reasonable test.

>That must refer to newspapers and media  never publishing
ANYTHING about people who prevent injury, save lives,
or property, because they legally used a firearm.

And those today who DON"T teach their kids and take
precautions with their firearms ..... and are the cause of
a disaster.  Why is it THEY are not punished by the law
instead of trying to pass gun banning laws and unenforceable
trigger lock laws and restrict law abiding citizens access to guns?

They are punished.  Do you think when a kid takes dad's unlocked gun
and shoots his friend that dad DOESN'T get punished?


>As far as why you don't hear all the cases whereby people
>use guns to stop crimes, it's because it rarely happens.  Period.

Well, lemmie tell ya. You're absolutely wrong. If you're really
interested I'll post a dozen or so. All you have to
do is look in the right places and it's there. There's been a
number of studies done through the years and it's indicated that
it's at least in the hundreds of thousand times a year, minimum.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS?  Come on.  The New York Times (spare me your
'liberal media' argument) probably reports on every homicide that takes
place in NYC (a couple a day, on average).  Do you think they
deliberately avoid publishing an article if a guy shoots a bad guy?  Do
you think the NY POST would ignore that?

It rarely happens.  Sure, you could find examples.  Over the course of
a year, maybe dozens.  Even cops rarely shoot bad guys (and not only
on-duty, most of them are armed 24/7 and rarely use their guns).

If it were so prevalent, don't you think that your all-powerful
lobbying group the NRA would be running ads citing some of these?


> Versus all the
>times kids find guns improperly stored (I just heard of a study that
>said that one in three households with a gun have it loaded and NOT
>locked away) and shoot their friends.


You'd have to show me which gun banning group did that study and
provide their sources ( which are never revealed)  Can you just imagine

someone taking a survey and asking a gun owner if they locked up their
gun. Even if they didn't ..... who who would say so? That's just like
trying to pass a law that makes it mandatory to store all firearms
locked up or with trigger guards. Who the hell is ever going to enforce

it? In other words, if they didn't have the sense to keep their guns
away from children without there being a law, they wouldn't do it ....
if there WAS a law.  A trigger lock law is sensless.

Why do you assume it was a gun-control group?  I don't remember who did
the study, but it was reported on the radio within the past couple of
weeks, I think CBS News but I'm not sure.

By the way, I don't know about the effectiveness of a trigger lock
law.  But you could apply the same reasoning to seat belt laws-
except that with seat belt laws, a LOT more people are buckling up.

 > This happens several times a year in NYC alone.

I sincerely doubt that and again would ask you for your source and
their source of that statistic. I don't remember if the The Dept of
Justice statistics go into that detail, but as most of the gun banners
information, it's likely a made up story. Show me the source of the
information and from where it was derived and then it has credibility.
Otherwise it's mear propaganda.

I think what I referred to as happening several times a year is a kid
taking a gun and accidentally shooting a friend.  I read the same type
of news story probably every other month.  It happens A LOT in NYC.  Go
to NYTimes.com and type the words child and gun into the search box and
see what shows up.

Let me say this again.  The same scenario is reported several times a
year in NYC alone-- a kid finds a gun, accidentally shoots his friend.
Legal gun? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  To the dead kid's parents, it
doesn't matter.  The gun should not have been where the kid could get
it.

And probably once or twice a year it's reported that a little kid finds
a gun in the house and takes it to school, not really knowing what it
is.

By the way, "Gun banners?"  How about people who believe in gun control
without believing in outlawing guns?  Or is everybody who wants to do
anything to legislate anything to do with guns suddenly in your
cross-hairs as evil?

 > So you can stop using phrases like "Liberal media"



>for the lack of information.


If you think that there isn't a preponderance of liberal media in the
US, I don't know what else I can say.


>Here in NYC we have Fox News, Fox Cable
>News and the NY Post, and I don't recall seeing any stories recently of
>gun owners stopping crimes.  Unless you count the police as gun owners,
>and they too are sometimes shot with their own guns.


By law abiding citizens ..... or the bad guys? Gun restrictions effect
the law abiding citizens. Enforce the laws that are presently on the
books and gun crimes will drop to fantastically and unbeliveable lows.

Sure, police and prosecutors are deliberately avoiding enforcing the
existing laws because of... oh, why do you think they're doing that?
To make things worse so they can take away your gun?


Oh and by the way, my guns are loaded and accessible at all times.
With no children in the house any longer, trigger locks and gun
cases only hamper access. Keep in mind that over the summer months, in
my area ( within 20/30 miles) , there were about a half a dozen home
invasions.

That's your choice.  But you ARE more likely to be shot with your own
gun than you are to kill one of those invaders.  Or do you dispute that
most murders are committed by a member of the household?