Re: Compass Software

["R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Look Frank, I am not defending the guy, nor am I going to attack him for his
statements. I simply don't see it as useful for the newsgroup for half of
the posts here to be simply "pissing in each others ears". But I'm sure he's
just as hard headed as the rest of us in this group. I too see the jabs and
criticisms of our industry and there are times I wish he'd learn to use a
little discretion in his responses. But then if I was attacked at every
turn, I might respond the same way. Sometimes he goes overboard, (even for
me), but in a lot of his comments regarding our industry, a lot of the time,
he is not too far off the mark....dealers who's only interest is in
"flipping paper", dealers who unethically lock customer owned boards, and
SOME of the"big box" companies and mass marketers who cheapen the whole
market for all of us through atrocious and essentially dishonest dealer
programs and shoddy, minimalistic installations. And I could go on and on...

He too falls victim to the all too easy tendency to generalize about
problems and in the process make them seem more prevalent than they may be
(and I am just as guilty of that too although I do try to be especially
careful in this regard).

And as for Jim, I don't question his willingness to answer DIY'ers, nor his
willingness to respond, although I don't see most of them simply because for
the moment, I have him blocked. But the bottom line is NOTHING that any of
you guys say will change his approach. Make your statement of objection in a
factual way and then let it go. Readers can form their own opinion of the
worth of his statements or not. Factual criticism will always come across as
more convincing than a diatribe of hateful comments. But those same readers
can clearly see the total LACK of worth of some of the more hostile
statements you guys make in response, which only serves to make you look
like "the bad guys". The whole thing comes across sometimes as a bunch of
kids in a school yard fighting about trivia and in the process does nothing
for our image as professionals.

We can keep this thread going until the cows come home, but I absolutely
refuse to engage in the escalating stupidity that goes on here. If you see
that as wearing "rose coloured glasses" so be it. I stated my purpose in
being part of this newsgroup some years ago, and it hasn't changed and won't
change...

So press on....

RHC


"Frank Olson" <Please-use-the-email-links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> "R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:SbOdneyfvP6wbMneRVn-iw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> No, I don't say RLB's an OK guy, nor do I say he is the monster you say
>> he is. I simply don't know; I have never met the man. I judge people on
>> the newsgroup by what they say and how they act in relation to answering
>> questions etc on security matters. That's all any of us are here for.
>
> Really??  Man, Rob...  You need to clean your glasses.  Or take off those
> rose coloured ones you're wearing.
>
>
>>
>> I see him answering people's questions in a straightforward way, although
>> like all of us, he is not always correct.
>
> There are several "problems" with respect to the way he answers questions.
> Which Newsgroup have you been reading??
>
>
>> He gets offensive when attached in the most vicious ways by you and
>> others.
>
> I haven't "attached" him for months.  He's been as "vicious" as always.  I
> suppose pointing this out isn't something you're interested in, though.
>
>
>> His motives for being on the newsgroup are to help others and to sell his
>> wares to DIY'ers, but at least he answers DIY questions without making
>> them feel stupid or belittling them for their lack of knowledge.
>
> No.  He doesn't belittle them.  He only belittles the trade, installers,
> the "IB", and the "big box" companies...  Oh...  I forgot...  You do the
> last part too...  :-))
>
>
>> You on the other hand,often fill the newsgroup with hateful, ignorant
>> crap that does nothing to assist anyone here. So when it comes right down
>> to it, who's more of a problem here...
>
> When has Jim failed to answer a DIYer's question??  Where has he ever
> belittled one??  Seems to me his "focus" has been responding to RLB's
> numerous "protestations of innocence" and more than a few "jabs" at the
> trade.  There are many professionals that post here.  I quite frankly
> don't see any other online store working the group like RLB does.  I think
> he takes a perverse pleasure in pushing our buttons.  "How high can I get
> the IB to jump??"  Sound familiar??  Ever notice how peaceful it gets
> around here without him??  Ever notice what starts off the "kicks and
> giggles"?? Is it Jim??  Me??  Mike??  Graham??  If he does come back, sit
> back and watch how long it takes for him to use Jim's (or mine) name in
> one of his responses.  See how long it takes for him to link a response to
> one of the "buy me" buttons on his website, or to use one of his rather
> numerous and colourful turns of phrase designed to "put down" the trade...
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