Devcon Buys Out Coastal Security, Adelphia, & Guardian

["Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

Well, I'm BAAAAAACCCK and I just couldn't resist responding to this
pile of shit.


R.H.Campbell wrote:
> "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1132804840.774830.103000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Before you pontificate about what should and shouldn't be charged for
> > monitoring, you should try to find out what the "average" amount in the
> > US is, first. In fact, according to most polls, last I heard, it's
> > about $25.00.
>
> RHC: It's $24.95 by all accounts in reports I've read in SDM
> >
> > As far as long term contracts, you can bet that if you're not getting
> > them you're not doing your customers any favor.
>
> RHC: That's absolute unadulterated crap !

Really? Well I think you're a stupid son of a bitch too.

> Many of my clients are quite
> mobile, and I'd be doing them no favours by locking them in to a long term
> contract that unnecessarily restricts them and costs them needlessly.

You make assumptions and exemplify your stupidity and lack of business
acumen

> Cripes, if you really believe you're doing your clients a favour by locking
> them in, you really have lost all sense of reality !! I see untold horrors
> of customers being extorted by these bloody long term contracts, by all
> sorts of companies of all sizes big and small. Cripes, I could write a book
> on it...

On that I have no doubt. You've gone on FUCKING ENDLESSLY for
YEARs on this stupid bullshit of yours, constantly showing just what a
stupid businessman you are.

But if you did write a book the title of it would be:

"How to run a business without the primary goal of making a profit and
giving your customers everything they never needed or wanted, but
making
them think that you're the good guy and everybody else is a scam
artist, but
being able to do this depends upon the fact that  I've got a pension
and
income from other sources that other small business competition doesn't
have
so that I don't have to depend upon this business to make a living for
me and
my family as most other small businesses do and also I don't have to
build
equity in the business as everyone else does as a retirement cache. And
how
you can try to jam it down the throat of everyone in a Newsgroup who
don't
give a damn WHAT I do but I'll still constantly bring it up and finally
when
someone takes exception  to my incessant interminable and repetitive
ranting,
I'll get pissed at them for taking issue with me and accuse them of
being a cheat
and stupid and a scam artist and all sorts of unsavory things, even
though
* I'm* the one who can't stop bringing up the subject of long term
contracts
when no one else does even though I know that what I do isn't the norm
and that
I know that I'm in reality insulting and calling everyone else in the
group crooks,
scammers, cheats, crooked, stupid, and out to get the client, knowing
full well that one month contracts, free service, and holding rates for
5 years isn't what
is standard for the industry and that no one else does it and that
regardless of what I say,
everyone is going to continue to do what they do anyway, but I just
like to jam it down
their throat as much as I can in spite of the fact that I know
eventually someone is going
to get annoyed." " Oh yes, and the same thing goes for my rants about
ADT."

There could be more but that would require a continuation of the
title on the back cover.



>
> You can change there rates every year.
>
> RHC: More crap ! I give the client a five year written rate guarantee in his
> contract.

Which simply adds to  my point at how stupid a business plan you have.

>And with the profit margins I make at $15, I doubt I'll ever raise
> my rates ! (In fact, I may end up reducing them if my tax problems continue
> !)

Oh now that's simply BRILLIANT!

And another thing, your constant touting of your $15.00 a month, never
seems
to indicate that this is in Canadian dollars. Very deliberately
deceiving, if you ask
me, since most of the people in the Newsgroup and those who visit are
from the US.
This is really taking a direct slap at the simple little dealer out
there, trying to make
ends meet with you implying that $15.00 per month is adequate for
monthly monitoring.


> I put that clause in when ADT started their bullshit along the same tone,
> all the while hiding behind the fact that they can rate rates based on a
> cost of living index once a year. Those idiots will say anything to make a
> sale...

And you'd do anything and give anything away that is detrimental to
implementing
a viable business plan that would make your business as successful as
it could be and
provide a retirment cache. And then you have audacity to complain about
people who are more successful than you are, because they've set a
course that will be most profitable for them yet not unacceptable to
the clientele. You are just about the most ignorant asshole I've ever
come across. You go on and on about this stupid giving everything away
to the customer as if it were an intelligent thing to do. As if the
primary goal of every company should be to base it's business plan on
giving the customer everything and making the least profit as possible.
You go into a potential clients home and offer them everything they
never wanted.Everything they never needed. You brag the fact that
you're so stupid that you give things away to them at your expense. Not
being as stupid as you, they take it. You don't even have the common
sense to know that if you just offered them a standard system, standard
contracts, standard service, if you had any talent at all as a
salesman, they'd be your customer anyway. What do you expect them to do
if you're giving away the store with every system? Of course they're
going to take it if you give it away for FREE. And I mean actually
FREE! If you walked backwards and bent over with you pants down around
your ankles into a gay bar, would you expect them to say Oh ..... no
thank you?

You're customers don't give two shits whether you give your
assets away or not. Any smart business man should ...... but not YOU.
And you,
actually take PRIDE in the fact that you're stupid enough to not make
the profit you
could make. You're the kind of competition that I hope gets thousands
of accounts
cause that's all the closer you are to oblivion. You've yet to
experience the service
problem. Just wait and see what this is gonna cost ya. Likely your
business or at least
set you back a few years. It's comin ...... get ready.

>
> I get a five year contract and don't change rates for
> > that long. My clients have a choice. Minimum one year contract ......
> > but the price will likely go up next year or 5 year contract and you
> > hold the price for 5 years. Very ...... very seldom to I get less than
> > 5 year contract. Good for me. Good for them. Oh and also, when it comes
> > time to sell your business, I'll match the price that I'll get for my 5
> > year contracts against what you get for your one year contracts.
>
> RHC: More crap ! I have a standing offer of 30 times monthly !

If you believe that, you going to be in for a big surprise when it gets
down
to the wire. There's no investor in his right mind that is going to
offer you
anywhere NEAR what your saying unless he's your best friend. But again,
even if it IS so, it can't be expected to happen the same to everyone
else.
If you still have the capacity to think, you tell me what YOU would do
if
someone came to you and said, OH, yes, I'm pretty new in this business
but my customer base is comprised of clients that only have one month
contracts, with 5 year guaranteed price, and all parts and service free
for
life. And I want 30 times monthly. But my company is a much better
investment for you than that company over here, in business 36 years,
with 5 year contracts, and collects $95.00 to $125.00 plus parts, per
service call.

Yeah ...... sure!  Talk about someone with a dream. You're it, asshole.



>That's
> perfectly satisfactory given that I wouldn't have half the clients I have if
> I chose to lock them in.

JEEEZUS you're dense. Why the hell do you think your have your clients?
Because you're giving them the value of your company with every sale.
THEY don't know what you're doing or how you're doing it , but you're
getting
the accounts because you're giving them little pieces of your business
with
every sale. No one else is that stupid, THAT's why your getting
accounts.
These people don't know if you're going to give them any better service
or
monitoring response than their last company. You're getting them as
customers
simply because you're giving them something for FREE! THAT's WHY! What
the hell kind of salesman COULDN'T do that, for christ sake? You're
doing the
very same thing as the "Free systems" alarm companies do, except
they're
rightly getting their return on the higher monthly monitoring rate.
You're giving
the value of your company away instead. There's no difference between
what
you do to get a customer and them, except that your stupid.

> My clients aren't that bloody stupid ! And NO ONE
> around here EVER raises their rates every year unless they've trapped their
> clients in a long term committment and the customers have no choice in the
> matter...you must be dreaming !

And again, you must be ...... nope... you ARE stupid if you believe
that any
small dealer would work for 35 years earning a living, supporting his
family and
even though there was a way to set up a retirement nest egg, wouldn't
do it
because he wanted to give it away to his customers. And you're right,
your
clients are much smarter than you are. You give them what they never
wanted
and they're smart enough to take it.( Talking about smart,  why don't
you tell
us again how many accounts your going to let your company grow to?
What
was that again?  300?  500?  700?   And tell everyone what I told you
was going
to happen? ) And why does that happen? Is it because you don't "lock"
them into
a contract or is it because you're always there, to give them good
service and to
help them when needed?  You're just an ignorant slug if you think that
by giving
away free service, free parts, no agreement, and whatever else you're
not providing
for your companies maximum prosperity, is what's keeping your customers
loyal.
The only thing that small dealers have to offer, that the Borg can't,
is personalized
service. That's all the customers want.They just want someone to be
attentive to
their problems and respond with care and concern. Suppose you gave away
all the
things that you do now and didn't give them good service? Would they
stay with
you? Suppose you didn't give them all the things you do and had a 5
year contract,
but gave them great service do you think they'd stay with you?
Duhhhhhhhhh ?

I've got many many more accounts than you and in spite of your nay-say
and
doomsday proclivities, my attrition rate is almost negligible. Anyone
who
does ........ or has to leave, is free to do so. I've never pursued
anyone because
the left before contract expiration and wouldn't, unless it was a
deliberate situation
depriving me of a substantial amount of  money due for past services .
Those that,
for various reasons have fallen in arrears are notified after three
months that their
service will be terminated within 30 days and ....... it is. They're
gone. They get
the certified letter and the account is canceled.  Most I'm out is 2 to
three months
of monitoring. The point is, on most residential accounts, that after
two years
or so, if the account goes bad, the cost of collection and the
administrative effort
hardly makes it worth trying to collect. I simply don't have the time
nor do I think
it's worth having a customer that doesn't, won't or can't pay me. Why
would
anyone want a client like that? If they're not going to pay me while
I'm giving
them good service and while we had a good relationship, there's no
reason to believe
that they're going to like me, or pay me any better if I force them to
pay or force
them to continue to be a client.


> If you tried that bullshit around here,
> you'd lose your client base in a hurry ! The only people who ever buy into a
> long term contract when they aren't paying for a "free system" are either
> poor and uninformed shoppers, fools, idiots or both..

Well now that REALLY completes the picture of your outlandish policies.
Obviously, if it wasn't for the fact that people DID buy long term
contracts
in your area, you'd have no customers at all. I'd have to agree with
you in
some degree, regarding this ..... though. You're customers ARE smarter
to
be YOUR customer. After all, it's not every day that some idiot comes
up and
gives them everything they never wanted and is willing to screw himself
and the
evolution of his company, simply to make a sale. And then you prove to
be
additionally ignorant and hypocritical, by coming here and complaining
about
your competition underselling and giving things away for FREE.

Ewww Ewww, lookit me! I can give away free equipment an
en en free service en en en deprive my company of equity an an in the
process make you think that all the other companies are ripoffs. Aint I

smat ....err smert ...... er intelllygent? Duh uh huh .....un huh!
They're all crooks ........ but me?  NOT ME! I'm jus plain stooopid!


.
>
> Long term contracts when they are not being used to pay down equipment are
> nothing but an industry scam, pure and simple. And if you believe all your
> self serving crap about doing your clients a favour....well....I can't say
> anything without making it personal, and I won't do that !!

Well I don't have any qualms at all making it personal when you come
here
and constantly say that my business practices and the practices of
every alarm
dealer in this trade who has a long term contract, is a scam artist. I
fucking damn
well WILL take it personal. Shove your ignorant self righteousness
right square
up your stupid ass.

Here's another hypocrisy of yours. You're the one that's often said
that ignoring
people here, that are annoying is what should be done. But I guess that
only applies
when it's two other people or when someone takes issue with your
stupidity.
You don't seem to apply that when it comes to wireless willy or cooper
or sonicdick
but OHHH that's alright. You can rant all you want about them. But as
soon as someone
comes back and kicks you in the ass a few times, you go hidey hidey
 .
In real life when you come across an asshole in a group, one at first
tries to ignore
them, walk away, try to avoid them. When they persist, I don't have any
qualms,
whatsoever in putting them back a peg or two. But you just can't seem
to pick
up on the fucking clues. most here have tried to ignore what you do to
insult dealers and your efforts to drive them away from ligitimate and
honest companies who's big crime is to build equity in their comanys
and make a ligitimate profit. No one here agrees with your business
plan. Some will agree with some aspects of it, such as one year versus
5 year,  but for the most part, no one thinks that what you do is a
good way to do business. Yet you can't seem to give it up. You've got
to fucking CONSTANTLY, recount, over and fucking OVER again and FUCKING
AGAIN ......how the entire alarm industry is wrong and you are right.
Get OFF it, for christ FUCKING sake. Just do what ever
the hell you want to do and stop trying to shove it down everyones God
DAMMED
throat.


As long as you keep trying to push your stupid
non business plan in this group, don't expect me to stay all pleasant
and gushy.
You've long ago passed the point of me trying to avoid you, in spite of
the
fact that you're an asshole. You're an idiot and you've rationalized
yourself into
this delusion that what you are doing is right and the whole rest of
the industry
is wrong. There is no authority or anyone with any business acumen who
would
agree that your plan would play well in this industry and neither would
most of the
people in this group. Practice what you believe is right for you.
That's all fine and good.
It may well do for you, but it's not what this industry would nor
SHOULD ever accept. The perpetuity of the trade and of small businesses
cannot be built on giving away everything for free. Going back to the
industrial revolution, the name of the game is profit and the welfare
of the client. One can never be favored over the other. It's a fine
balance between
service and perpetuation of the business entity. Favoring one side over
the other, in
an attempt to be more successful will always tip the scale. You can't
give it away,
but neither can you swindle the public. In the end, the customer is the
guideline
in a capitalistic economy. Trying to preempt the public by giving them
what they
never wanted to the detriment of the corporation is NOT a balanced plan
and if not
sooner ...... then later, will turn into a liability. That is (unlike
you) for companys who are self sustaining with no outside income and
who wish to build equity.
>
> Frankly, I'm getting more than a little tired of your sanctimonious bullshit
> on this subject. You aren't doing anybody but yourself any favours. So stop
> hiding behind lofty ideals about long term survival for your clients best
> interests !

And frankly ....... I don't give a shit. And YOU'VE got the fucking
nerve
to use the word sanctimonious describing ME?  YOU'RE the one who's
always on your fucking soap box about contracts.

Here's the plan fuckhead.
YOU're the one who always brings up this shit about long term
contracts.
Did you EVER see me mention contracts or comment on your asinine
practices
first?   EVER?  YOU'RE the one who's got to CONSTANTLY bring it into
a thread. Any time you get involved in a thread, especially with an end
user, you do
EXACTLY the same thing that Wireless Willy does. You just HAVE to bring
up contracts. You just have to insult and degrade alarm dealers by
implying that
their business practices are a scam. And every time someone points out
what you
are doing you add another qualifier comment to your list of reasons why
it MAY
be justified to do something different than you do. Why don't you just
leave it the
fuck alone and it will end. Do what ever the hell you think is right
for your
business but there's no reason in the world why you have to constantly
put dealers
who've worked a lifetime in a position of defending their business
practices that
will insure a decent retirement for themselves ..... just because YOU
don't have
to. If you don't stop, from now on you can expect me to be there EVERY
GODDAMNED time, to show what a stupid bastard you are. You're efforts
to
degrade installers for running their business in a way that is
different from yours
isn't what you want to do in this group, as if you didn't already know
that. Just
look at the chaos that has occurred in this group and the reasons that
it has occurred.
It has all been about degrading alarm installers and that's exactly
what you do here.


No one here takes offense at what you do to run
your business, but as soon as you insinuate that what someone else does
is
wrong or try to steer end users away from doing business with people
who
don't follow your policies and that you're way is right, and others are
wrong,
you've opened a door that needs not be broached.

.
As it stands:
You shut up and so will I.   Simple as that.

And if you'll notice, you paranoid son of a bitch, I didn't post to you
in the
first place. What's the matter dummy ........ feeling like you have to
defend
your asinine policies, even when you're not addressed? Sounds like
guilt
defending arrogance.

>