Re: Keeping up with Cables in new installation

["R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Wow ! I've never heard of that scam ! I wouldn't have thought that a big
company like Brinks would pull such a clearly dishonest sucker play like
that. Does Brinks have dealers; I would expect that out of a dealer but not
the main company itself.

Frankly, you gotta wonder about the customer in these cases too. Why would
he call someone like Brinks unless he is prompted too, what with all your
decals and signage everywhere. Makes you wonder if there isn't some sort of
kickback scheme in place between Brinks and the realtor. But mostly, I have
to wonder how bright the customer is to get hooked in to something like
that....

Sometimes I really wonder about customers; how the hell can they let
themselves get pulled into these sorts of things (don't answer that...:))

RHC


"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> agreed.
>
> Here's a sweetheart deal for ya..Brinks must have an "in" with Realtors
> and/or home-inspection companies around here. I keep finding their mini
> decals on my cans on resold homes: Inspected By Brinks - Please call for
> service. When the homeowner moves in for some stupid reason, even though
> my
> lawnsigns and decals are all over the place, they call Brinks from this
> tiny
> decal (and probably by verbal prompting from the Realtor). Brinks goes out
> and tells them they can't work with my system and must replace the entire
> thing...DUH. THEN the new client calls me. Wierd huh?,,,,all those spiffs
> going down the drain.
>
> Dunno what they possibly could have "inspected" anyway, they dont have
> keys
> to my panels nor would they know what they're looking at half the time
> anyway. I think this is unethical bullshit.
>
> R.
>
>
> "R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> |I don't do any prewiring anymore; what I stated is in regards to full
> priced
> | alarm systems in which I have sold the panel to the client on day one -
> the
> | only way I sell.
> |
> | Back when I had the time to do prewiring, I kept the wiring list for
> several
> | reasons. First, no one had paid me for it as you say. Second, if the
> client
> | eventually came to me, I found that the wiring list had often
> disappeared
> | for some inexplicable reason, which just made my job a bit longer. But
> | toning doesn't take very long for anyone to do.
> |
> | These days, I go into a lot of new homes where the prewiring was done by
> a
> | company where the builder has a "sweetheart" deal with  another company
> | (usually an alarmco). There is never a wiring diagram there, even though
> the
> | empty can is installed, and they have their decals etc plastered all
> over
> | it. It seems at least locally, there is more money to be made doing
> | prewiring than installing the alarm itself. Most builders do a basic
> prewire
> | job....all doors, a couple of motions etc and charge the home buyer
> about
> | $1000 for this !!!!!  The alarmco either did it for $200 or sometimes
> for
> | nothing. And these builders won't allow other independant companies on
> site
> | quoting all sorts of made up reasons why not (the truth being of course,
> | their sweetheart deal with a local alarmco). Sometimes if the purchaser
> | knows enought to scream like crazy, the builder will relent, but not
> | often....
> |
> | I usually take out their can and substitute the one that comes with the
> | panel. Anyone need a couple of hundred empty cans ??....:)))
> |
> | RHC
> |
> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | news:9SIcf.11$9L.1314@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > The wirelist is mine unless I specifically state otherwise...like in a
> | > commercial job where schematics generally stay with the system and are
> | > part
> | > of the contract.
> | >
> | > In a house where we may just prewire only...IF I decide to make a
> wirelist
> | > it's on my dime and I keep it. IF the primecontractor wants to pay me
> to
> | > compile a wirelist or schematic thats a different situation, however
> they
> | > NEVER want to pay for it.
> | >
> | > I never trust anyone else's wirelists either, whenever I do a takeover
> or
> | > install on someone else's prewire I always ring it out and make my own
> | > list
> | > up...and remove all that shitty sticky masking tape or whatever the
> | > prewire
> | > company decided to write (if they did at all) wire locations on.
> | >
> | >
> | > "R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:He6dnT6eW8tSz-7eRVn-qQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | Yeah, that's worked for me over the years as well. Every can has my
> | > company
> | > | decal on it, plus two other labels -one giving all my calling
> | > information,
> | > | plus the second decal outlining what my monthly rate is and what it
> | > | includes.
> | > | Plus, inside, taped to the can cover is a complete wiring chart
> showing
> | > what
> | > | has been done and where all the wires go.
> | > |
> | > | If the customer comes back to me, great ! If he doesn't, then the
> next
> | > | company that has to service the panel has a complete record to go on
> | > saving
> | > | everyone time and money. I figure the wiring chart is only part of a
> | > proper
> | > | installation and belongs to the homeowner, same as the panel itself.
> The
> | > | decals belong to me and are always removed (a clause in my contract)
> | > |
> | > | Very rarely does the homeowner go elsewhere. If he does, it's
> usually
> | > become
> | > | of his having signed one of these abominable long term contracts in
> his
> | > | original house and now he's being blackmailed into taking their
> service
> | > | again in the new house.
> | > |
> | > | RHC
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | news:aLHcf.5$le3.403@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > Ah! Most excellent idea!
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > news:1131594911.947899.156110@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Crash Gordon wrote:
> | > | > | > Gray firewire?
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Ethical to keep records? I think so. I have records of every
> job
> | > I've
> | > | > ever
> | > | > | > done except for a few that got damaged by a roof leak. So what
> if
> | > they
> | > | > | > aren't your client currently...who knows how long they may
> stay
> | > with
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > other company..they might come back. I've had clients quit, go
> | > with
> | > | > another
> | > | > | > company the house gets sold to someone new, the new owner
> calls
> me
> | > | > because
> | > | > | > that's the decal still on the can...bada bing I get it back.
> | > Happens
> | > a
> | > | > lot.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > I don't believe in wirelists written in the can.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Even though there's plenty of paper on the roll?
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