Re: Do YOU ACTUALLY Own Your Equipment -- Truce?

["R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't remember those exact quotes but you are once again taken things out
of context. You conveniently forgot to to put any of those comments in
context. I can't remember those exact words, but I do remember saying such
things (and stronger) in regards to AlarmBridge's hidden auto renewing 5
year contract, which is what we were talking about.

And my comments about ADT still stand ! They and the other nationals WOULD
be in trouble if they didn't have these long term contracts to hide behind !
And by revenue sharks, I AM referring to ADT and a lot of the other
companies who install these hopeless wireless minisystems just to get the
long term contract. And of course the newest kid on the block - AlarmForce !

However, if you or anyone else feels slighted by my comments, then I will be
more careful in the future and will qualify my comments carefully so no
reader goes away feeling that long term contracts in and of themselves are a
bad thing, or at least they see it scoped out within the industry
realistically.  But with rare exception, they do nothing for the end client,
so people should shop around, since more and more companies will do that if
pressed by the buyer !!

And unless we want to continue this tirade any longer, I suggest you also
start to look at things more objectively, and start looking at the "big
picture" in regards to the contract issue ! Win, lose or draw according to
your standards, it doesn't serve any further purpose other than stirring the
pot in the newsgroup. And frankly, neither of us are going to change our
minds, so lets just drop it !! Feel free to shoot at me in the future if you
don't like what I say......

RHC

"Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> R.H.Campbell wrote:
>> Like I said before, you either don't read very closely what I've said in
>> the
>> past, or you've got a lousy memory ! I've said that many times. Do a
>> search
>> under "AlarmBridge"! Or maybe you've simply got this contract thing so
>> far
>> up your butt, you can't see it clearly any longer !!
>
> Well, let's see, with a brief search under "long term contracts" posted
> by you, I come up with things that when read "closely" as you suggest,
> sounds an awful lot like insults to everyone who uses long term
> contracts.
>
> ( the empahses are mine)
> I also chose NOT to allow my customers to be   **** trapped by long
> term
> contracts;*****
>
> Long term contracts are simply a way for alarm companies to ensure a
> guaranteed revenue stream for themselves and do NOTHING for the
> consumer.
>
> My crystal ball is no clearer than anyone else's, but I am willing to
> predict, as this market matures, as competition heats up even more, and
> especially
>
> **** as customers of these companies who use the long term contract
> scam finally wake up and get informed,******
>
> that the norm will move to month to month contracts.
>
> ******* Customers will finally begin to realize that the long term
> contract is just so much bullsh*t.....!!! *******
>
>
> And I don't buy the argument (although I know it is real) that I won't
> be able to sell these contracts to a large firm later on when I wish to
> retire, for nearly as much money -
>
> *******as justification for *conning* people into a long term
> contract..!! *****
>
> It's only the large
> conglomerates who need long term commitments to hold their clients due
> to
> high prices and sometimes spotty service.
>
> It's safe to say I wouldn't have 60% of the
> clients I do have if I
>
> ******forced them to sign contracts with unnecessary long
> term restrictions.******
>
> I can have $5000 coming in the door each and every month, stop
> installing, and just spend my time keeping my customers happy...!! And
> continue to smile knowing that these 500 people will never
>
> ******be *victimized* by any of the "revenue sharks" in our
> industry..... *******
>
>
> Now if that isn't making it quite clear what you think of companies who
> use long term contracts, I don't know what is. In none of the above
> cases did you clairify that *some* small companies use the contracts as
> equity for their retirement. Or that contracts are usually not enforced
> by many alarm companies. Or that if someone moved away that there
> wouldn't be any persuit of the client. or ..... or ...... OR anything
> at all, as a matter of fact, that qualifies what you've said as only
> being applicable to those companies who are in the RMR business. What
> you've said and say about long term contract and the people who use
> them is quite clearly all encompassingly durogatory, impugning and
> denigrating  ANYONE who uses long term contracts.
>
> As I mentioned eariler, for some reason you feel compelled to
> constantly speak negatively about long term contracts. When somone pins
> you down on it, you THEN, mention qualifiers, that you don't mean to
> include in your all encompassing comments and that you don't mean to
> insult legitimate users of long term contracts. etc etc. To avoid
> including these legitimate users in your biased opinions to end users
> you'd have to mention all of the exceptions, every time you tried to
> tell an end user about long term contracts. Otherwise the end user goes
> away thinking that EVERYONE, who uses long term contracts is scaming
> them. And that's just not true.
>
>>
>> Now ...ONE.... MORE ....TIME, I don't object to long term contracts in
>> general when they are called for; just when they are MISUSED (granted, my
>> definition of that covers a wider range than yours). This is just one of
>> the
>> more obvious examples!
>
> This is a good example of what I'm talking about. Everytime you post to
> a new visitor about long term posts, do you really think it's worth it
> to have to post all the different ways long term contracts can be used
> or misused?   Why don't you just refer them to your web site and stop
> putting your self in the position of making everyone here, who ALL use
> long term contracts, feel as if they've been criticized  for running
> their business according to what is a normally accepted method. YOU
> don't like it when people tell you that what YOU do is wrong. Why would
> you think it's alright for you to tell other people that what they do
> is wrong? You want to put it on your web site, who cares? You do it
> here and ......... eventually you're gonna get some objection about it.
>
>
>>
>> This thread is quickly becoming a very boring "broken record".....
>
> That's EXACTLY how everyone else here feels about your "broken record"
> comments about long term contracts and about ADT.  Should your broken
> record be anyone acceptable than someone elses?
>


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