Re: Fire Side Chat -- Fire Alarm Code Issue

["Frank Olson" <feolson@xxxxxxxxxx>]

"Robert L. Bass" <robertlbass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> You're dancing around the question because you know you're wrong.

What am I wrong about now??  I've pointed out where interconnecting a 110VAC
smoke alarm to a residential security control or auto dialler doesn't
violate code.  You started this thread adamantly stating that you cannot do
this.  It's a "code violation" and Al should have known better.  Read what
you wrote again!!

> The device must be listed for the purpose.  Relays built-into listed smoke
> detectors don't require a separate listing.

Check.  The relay must be listed for interconnection to compatible smoke
alarms.  The purpose of the relay is what, Robert??  It's an unsupervised
switch.  An output to enable you to hook compatible smoke alarms to a
strobe, door lock, security control, auto dialler, etc.  You're spinning
around so fast now, I'm getting dizzy.


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>
> with the alarm control panel if it's panel specific (for example, a 2-wire
> smoke) or with alarm conrol panels in general if it's not.  For example,
> you can
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>> If you were connecting it to a listed *and
>> certified* UL residential security control,
>> then that would be a "horse of a different
>> colour"...
>
> Wrong again.  Code mandates do not depend on certification of the
> installation.

Man you're so far off base it's a wonder you're still in the country (let
alone on the same planet).  When have you *ever* installed a fire alarm
system that wasn't *certified*??  Or installed one to conform  to NFPA and
the local AHJ??  What code or circumstance specifically mandates the
installation of a residential fire alarm *system* (I'm not talking the
requisite 110VAC smoke alarms)??   Please don't respond with "the
installation of a UL listed fire/burg control" because we both know that's
patently false.

There isn't any "code requirement" to install smoke alarms on every level of
a house that are part of a home security system (I'm talking the 12VDC four
wire or two wire ones).  In fact most of the companies we've taken over
pre-wires from in the past rarely wire for more than one (usually at the top
of the stairs near the bedrooms and next to the 110VAC one).  Granted this
is terribly unprofessional and *we* would never do it, but there it is.  It
happens every day.  There are some idiots in the trade (individuals who
should never have been issued a license let alone a screw-driver or a pair
of wire stirppers).

I've truly enjoyed debating this with you Robert.  It proves to me that
someone can seriously disagree with you and you will treat them civilly and
with respect.  I was right to step back when I did several months ago and I
feel much better for it too.  I wish you could do the same and experience
this feeling as well.  Right now we're in the middle of unseasonably hot
weather.  It was 28 degrees C today.  I was out doing service in Kits (the
trendy West End of the city) and I was literally bowled over by the
extra-ordinary view of the mountains and the city sky-line.  I wouldn't
trade you for Florida on a day like today.  Ask me on the weekend when it's
supposed to be overcast and raining and I'll bet my answer'll be different
though...  :-))