RE: CD (or compact flash etc) booted XPLmedianet/XPLHAL

["michael.furlong" <otherlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ian

I don't know a bean about CE 5 and I certainly don't have the skill
set to sort out an implementation or the conversion of existing apps.

But if it does what it says then a very small platform could be the
controller for a xpl network and could be almost packaged as a device.
This would be a great step forward for xpl.

Being able to implement all windows based xpl apps on a platform like
this would be incredibly useful.

Mick


-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ian Lowe
Sent: 25 September 2005 01:37
To: ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_xpl] CD (or compact flash etc) booted
XPLmedianet/XPLHAL


Windows CE 5 may be a better platform for this purpose - for one
thing,
it supports instant boot from CF, rather than "cf as a hard
drive"
emulation. Secondly, and more importantly, it's not virii accesible
for
the most part - there are also digital app signing mechanisms which
allow execution to be heavily restricted.

Oh, and the clincher? It runs .Net Compact framework, so minimal
conversion is needed for existing apps.

I downoaded the eval kit for CE5 on x86 hardware, but couldn't get a
mobo description for the VIA EPIA Mobos built - that would be a major
step forward if we could get it going.

Ian.

-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mal Lansell
Sent: 25 September 2005 00:31
To: ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] CD (or compact flash etc) booted
XPLmedianet/XPLHAL

It does say on their site that it doesn't include support for the full
win32 api on the boot cds to save space.  If you're planning for this
PC
to have general purpose use (rather than as a media streamer), that
may
be an issue.

Mal


michael.furlong wrote:

> Paul
>
> I have looked at BART PE before for building recovery/boot CDs but
not

> for a full environment..but it looks like it would work:)
>
> Now to find the time to do something about it!
>
> Thanks
> Mick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Paul Robinson
> Sent: 25 September 2005 00:16
> To: ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] CD (or compact flash etc) booted
> XPLmedianet/XPLHAL
>
>
> Not sure whether this is flexible enough for what you'll need, but
you

> could take a look at http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ for a
windows
system

> you can boot from CD
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael.furlong" <otherlists@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:10 AM
> Subject: RE: [ukha_xpl] CD (or compact flash etc) booted
> XPLmedianet/XPLHAL
>
>
> > Mal
> >
> > agree 100% on the apps conversion I think it has to be windows
for
> the
> > time being.
> >
> > On the CD/CF option I have a different view, having a DVD back-up
> and
> > restoring it if needed is ok for thee and me. But if it is
installed

> > for a friend or relative or as part of a commercially delivered
> > solution then asking the mother/friend/client to do a DVD restore
of

> > say a hosted image just isn't on.
> >
> > Therefore a bulletproof as possible solution is preferable.
> >
> > Mick
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Mal Lansell
> > Sent: 24 September 2005 23:34
> > To: ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] CD (or compact flash etc) booted
> > XPLmedianet/XPLHAL
> >
> >
> > Except that you'd need all the other apps converted to Linux too
-
> > especially xPLMediaNet - and I don't see that happening any time
> soon!
> >
> > While booting from a CD or CF card sounds appealing, it's a load
of
> > hassle and offers minimal benefit over just chucking a hard drive
in

> > there.  You don't gain any extra stability with a CF boot - you
> still
> > need all those same flaky drivers for the rest of the hardware.
If
> > you want to be able to restore the state, the easiest thing to do
is
> just
> > burn an an image of the configured machines hard drive onto DVD.
> >
> > Spyware etc mostly comes from web browsing and installing dodgy
> > applications (and no xPL apps have spyware in them!), so assuming
> you
> > have a firewall in place, you shouldn't get any on your server
> > machine.
> > Normal anti-virus software will protect you against the rest.
> >
> > Mal
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Robinson wrote:
> >
> > > This is where we could do with xplhal on linux...then a slug
> > > (nslu2-linux.org) would have
> > > been ideal for this.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "michael.furlong" <otherlists@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:06 PM
> > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] CD (or compact flash etc) booted
> > XPLmedianet/XPLHAL
> > >
> > >
> > > > Just wondering if this sounds possible.....
> > > >
> > > > A PC (small form factor fanless etc) booting from CD or
some
> other
> > > > non-hard disc device and able to run xplhal and
xplmedianet
> (plus
> > > > maybe some other xpl apps).
> > > >
> > > > Idea being that it would use a NAS, like maybe a
buffalo
> > terastation,
> > > > to access MP3s and videos etc.
> > > >
> > > > The reasons for doing this is to get away from having a
full
> blown
> > PC
> > > > on the network 24/7 and making the whole thing more
bulletproof.
> > So if
> > > > a problem occurs just reboot the diskless pc and you
are back
to
> > the
> > > > original config.
> > > >
> > > > One of the reasons for doing this is to remove the
possibility
> of
> > > > virus/spyware/worm infection so I guess another
question is
> would
> > this
> > > > actual protect from this? I guess the shares could
still host
> thes
> > > > nasties.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts on this?
> > > >
> > > > Mick
>
>
>
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