RE: xAP switch

[Kevin Hawkins]

Thought I'd just mention how Clipsal handle switch actions on C-Bus - they
generate 3 messages - from these they can handle toggle and dimmer type
functionality.

Short Press
Long Press
Release

Basically their switches are momentary and if you press and release one
quickly you get short press / short release ie 2 messages. If you press and
hold one you get short press / long press / release ie all 3 messages. You
need the short press one so that things respond instantly.

Kevin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian B [mailto:<a
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> Sent: 14 April 2003 21:51
> To: <a
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> Subject: RE: [xAP_developer] xAP switch
>
> Hi Steve
>
> The relay board controller I am working on currently has 8 inputs.
> These are
> switches than can be momentary or locking. The program lets you
> configure
> whether a message is sent on the input going low, high or both. I also
> use a
> Maxim chip (max6818) to do all my debouncing which saves a lot of
> processing
> time.
>
> It would be quite easy to modify the program to just send input
changes
> and
> even make a new PCB for it. Having said that the board has 8 open
> collector
> outputs which folks might find useful. There is also RS485 and serial
> on
> board although only one can be used at once. You can see the current
> prototype on my site under projects then relay board controller. Note
> the
> 'production' version will not have the switches on board. They will be
> connected by a plug of some nature so can be remote.
>
> I have been thinking of adding another 8 inputs, not for any reason
> other
> than I can. Well, that's not quite true. Since this is designed to
> control
> my relay board and I am thinking of using them at home I might need
> more
> than the current inputs. This might be for travel limit sensing for
> example.
> We shall see.
>
> All this is done on an Atmel chip using the CodeVision compiler. I
> found
> PIC's became unreliable and space became tight once I got beyond the
> first
> page of memory.
>
> Ian
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kevin Hawkins [mailto:<a
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> >Sent: 14 April 2003 12:17
> >To: <a
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> >Subject: RE: [xAP_developer] xAP switch
> >
> >
> >Basic switch functionality to send xAP messages can as you say be
done
> at
> >any level of complexity. The lightest implementation could just
> effectively
> >send an ON or OFF state based on switch change and all you would
> >really need
> >is to alter the last two digits of the UID to represent each
switch on
> one
> >unit. (It would have to transmit it's xAP source address 'text' as
> well of
> >course).
> > A receiver could also be very lightweight if you wanted just
> >monitoring the UID to know when your switch has changed state -
this
> is one
> >of the great features of the UID facilitating an absolutely
> >minimal receiver
> >complexity. However this would not support wildcarding if you
needed
> that
> >feature.
> > The choice of coding several xAP message types into the
> transmitter
> >or not is really one you personally have to decide. You could
achieve
> the
> >same by monitoring a particular switch (or switches) from the xAPp
> >receiver,
> >and as the receiver may already be a PC based application this
might
> be
> >easier code wise. In my view switches should provide basic switch
type
> xAP
> >functionality and loading them with additional functionality may
prove
> >problematic to maintain as you system expands. If you had several
> switches
> >each controlling one device they would all need updating 'code
wise'
> if and
> >when the destinations changed. Really you should just be updating
> target
> >addresses on the switch rather than the format of the messages
> themselves I
> >feel.
> > It sounds like your real decision here is based on whether you
> will
> >envisage using some form of xAP controller in your setup in the
long
> term -
> >a central co-ordinator for exactly this sort of issue that might
> provide
> >some mapping of sources to destination. Really an issue of if you
will
> have
> >a PC running 24/7 and if you are happy with reducing your
reliability
> down
> >by becoming dependant on such a controller for the system to work
> (ignoring
> >the possibility of having a backup/redundant second controller).
The
> system
> >would be far more resilient if you supported a direct source to
target
> >linking (or even a wildcard variant) and I guess (thinking as I
type
> here)
> >that incorporating the filtering in the target xAPp's might be
easier
> and
> >the approach I would take.
> > Ian B's xAP relay board has some switch inputs IIRR - you could
> use
> >one of these - indeed maybe Ian could consider offering an input
only
> >version for exactly this purpose (essentially a partially
populated
> board).
> >A Clipsal C-BUS switch would also do this via the xAP gateway and
is
> >cosmetically appealing.
> >
> > I too am interested in the state of any PIC based xAP
> framework....
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: <a
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> > > Sent: 14 April 2003 11:20
> > > To: <a
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> > > Subject: [xAP_developer] xAP switch
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Been out of the loop for a while as we have been rewiring
and
> > > decorating
> > > our house. Anyway just starting to catch up again and last
night
> > > thought
> > > of an ideal xAP device.
> > >
> > > What I need is to have keypad at different points round the
> >house. For
> > > instance in the bedroom I could do with a small keypad stuck
to
> the
> > > wall
> > > that will arm the alarm to night mode, change the volume on
the
> Rio,
> > > trigger the headline and news to be read over the speakers,
> switch on
> > > the
> > > bedroom lights.
> > >
> > > My thought was either to make a xAP switch device that sends
> >out a sort
> > > of
> > > I'm switch unit A and button 1 has been pressed, then let a
> controller
> > > device on the PC translate the xAP message from a switch xAP
> >message to
> > > say
> > > a Rio or Comfort type xAP message. The alternative is to
program
> the
> > > switch with the ability to send multiple xAP messages types
> >up front so
> > > it
> > > send the correct message out straight away. The later sound
> >better but
> > > requires a bit more coding space and I was thinking of just
> bashing it
> > > out
> > > on a PIC. Any views?
> > >
> > > Also are we anywhere with the PIC developer code framework
based
> on
> > > Patrick's success with xAP message detection and heartbeats.
> > >
> > > S.
>
>
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