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Re: Indigo forums are pretty active, as are the Smart Things forums



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Hi Paul

Thanks for sharing. I guess it was the Alexa control I was thinking of but
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my current experience mainly involves repeating myself or shouting at it
(I=
=E2=80=99m thinking the Scottish voice controlled lift sketch at this
point=
).  But I really would like to have the =E2=80=98smart=E2=80=99 lights
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grated into cbus control. At the moment cbus relays just power on and off
w=
hich isn=E2=80=99t really how they were designed to work.

I do have very basic comfort/cbus integration but it=E2=80=99s not much
mor=
e than PIR controlled lights and timer control etc.

Clearly I need to do some research to see what my options are and not be
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duced by what seems a bargain.

Thanks again

Brian

> On 14 Mar 2018, at 2:53 pm, Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] =
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the cloud service seems to be a big issue at the moment, and I personally
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on=E2=80=99t find the configuration & programming environment for ST
terrib=
ly intuitive. (but I=E2=80=99m used to Toolkit & Comfigurator, &
the IDE is=
jarringly different).
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> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Indigo forums are pretty active, as are the
Smart T=
hings forums
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> Sorry to hijack the thread but speaking of SmartThings, amazon have
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ub at =C2=A350 at the moment.  Anyone care to say positive things about
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m? I guess it may depend on the setup but I have cbus, comfort, lifx, hue
a=
nd audio via Logitech squeeze radios but the integration is pretty non
exis=
tent at the moment so wandering if ST is the enabler.
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> On 14 Mar 2018, at 1:18 pm, Steve Daniels ste@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] <=
ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Whilst I heard of them, I've never visited them, literally Googling
"Indi=
go forums" or "SmartThings forums" will have them on the
first result.
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> Steve
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> On 14 March 2018 at 12:23, 'Philip N Butterfield' phil@xxxxxxx
[ukha_d=
] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I wasn't aware of these forums as a bit of a newbie.
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> Are these Facebook forums or elsewhere?
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> Thanks
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> Phil
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<div></div><div>Hi
Paul</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for
sharing. I gues=
s it was the Alexa control I was thinking of but my current experience
main=
ly involves repeating myself or shouting at it (I=E2=80=99m thinking the
Sc=
ottish voice controlled lift sketch at this point). &nbsp;But I really
woul=
d like to have the =E2=80=98smart=E2=80=99 lights integrated into cbus
cont=
rol. At the moment cbus relays just power on and off which isn=E2=80=99t
re=
ally how they were designed to
work.</div><div><br></div><div>I do have ver=
y basic comfort/cbus integration but it=E2=80=99s not much more than PIR
co=
ntrolled lights and timer control
etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Clearly I n=
eed to do some research to see what my options are and not be seduced by
wh=
at seems a
bargain.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks
again</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Brian</div><div><br>On 14 Mar 2018, at
2:53 pm, Paul Gordon <a href=
=3D"mailto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx";>paul_gordon@xxxxxxx</a>
[ukha_d] &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>&gt;
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Personal opinion
only=E2=80=A6.<o></=
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">As you already have both
CBUS &amp; =
Comfort (as do I), I think you=E2=80=99re likely to be somewhat
underwhelme=
d by Smartthings=E2=80=A6 reliability of
the cloud service seems to be a big issue at the moment, and I personally =
don=E2=80=99t find the configuration &amp; programming environment for
ST t=
erribly intuitive. (but I=E2=80=99m used to Toolkit &amp; Comfigurator,
&am=
p; the IDE is jarringly
different).<o></o></span></p>
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><o>&nbsp;</o></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I only really got into
ST as it is a=
n enabler for Alexa voice control of Comfort via the Universal Home
Automat=
ion Interface (UHAI)
=E2=80=93 if you=E2=80=99re not familiar with this, it has its own topic o=
n the Comfort Forums.<o></o></span></p>
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><o>&nbsp;</o></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I really don=E2=80=99t
use ST for an=
ything else at all
really=E2=80=A6<o></o></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Do you have the UCM-CBUS
to at least=
get integration for Comfort &amp; CBUS? =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s pretty
mu=
ch an essential integration in my
book=E2=80=A6<o></o></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I don=E2=80=99t have any
other the o=
ther technologies you mentioned=E2=80=A6 - my dogma these days is that I
wo=
n=E2=80=99t have any new technology come in
to my environment if it doesn=E2=80=99t integrate well=E2=80=A6
</span><sp=
an
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;"=
> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
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href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 14 March 2018 14:29<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d] Indigo forums are pretty active,
as are the Sm=
art Things forums<o></o></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sorry to hijack the thread but
speaking of SmartThin=
gs, amazon have the hub at =C2=A350 at the moment. &nbsp;Anyone care to
say=
positive things about them? I guess it may depend on the setup but I have =
cbus, comfort, lifx, hue and audio via Logitech
squeeze radios but the integration is pretty non existent at the moment so=
wandering if ST is the enabler.<o></o></p>
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On 14 Mar 2018, at 1:18 pm, Steve Daniels <a href=3D"mailto:ste@stedaniels.=
co.uk">ste@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoo=
groups.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>&gt;
wrote:<o></o></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Whilst I heard of them, I've never
visited them, lit=
erally Googling "Indigo forums" or "SmartThings forums"
will have them on t=
he first result.<o></o></p>
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phil@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx"; =
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Are these Facebook forums or elsewhere?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
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