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RE: SIP service for Comfort alarm / SOHO use?



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I've been using mydivert.com for many years, mainly for inbound DID
termina=
tion; for outbound I tend to use 12voip.com, also for many years.
I have both UK (London) and Spanish DID numbers with mydivert - however
the=
y're not as cheap as the one you mention below.  Something to watch out
for=
is that a fair number of countries now require proof of
"residency" before=
they will allocate a geo-located number.

Cheers
Graham

From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 26 July 2018 11:18
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] SIP service for Comfort alarm / SOHO use?




Thanks Alex, I looked at Sipgate, being one of the names I was already
fami=
liar with, however from what I could see, it was very UK centric, and
could=
not provide me with a Norwegian phone number in additional to a UK one, so=
I discounted them.

I too am considering a cheap & cheerful grandstream ATA, so it's good
to he=
ar that you're satisfied with its quality.

One of the providers I'm looking quite closely at now is http://www.termina=
tion.worldcall.be/main.php/ which looks like they allow you to add DID
numb=
ers at will from almost anywhere in the world, so I could rent an Oslo
numb=
er for 1.23 euro/month plus a London number for 1.29 euro/month...

Anyone familiar with this company?

Cheers.  :)

Paul G.


From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_d@=
yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 25 July 2018 12:53
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] SIP service for Comfort alarm / SOHO use?



I have a few sipgate inbound numbers and with a bit of fiddling you can
get=
them to run into an asterisk PABX.

Not tried an outbound call, but audio quality of the inbound is good to a
f=
airly basic grandstream sitting on my office desk so see no reason that
the=
outbound wouldn't be similar.

Alex

On 25/07/18 10:56, Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx<mailto:paul_gordon@h=
otmail.com> [ukha_d] wrote:
Hey chaps... since my latest ISP upgrade a few months ago (to 300MB fibre)
=
I finally decided not to pay them the extra charge for POTS presentation
as=
I figured I can make do with mobiles, messaging apps, and my employers SfB=
etc... and for the most part that's true.

However my Comfort alarm also made use of the analog phone line to dial
out=
in alarm events, and whilst I have GSM backup in the alarm panel for that,=
it uses a PAYG SIM card, which I seem to always have no credit on, so I'm =
considering reinstating an analog phone line just for Comfort (initially,
I=
may expand its use later).

I can source a cheap 1-line ATA no problem, or even consider upgrading my
r=
outer to a Draytek Vigor BX2000 (which might be overkill),  but the tricky
=
choice is what VOIP provider to use to provide the SIP trunk...

I believe there are 'free' SIP providers... for example: https://www.lifewi=
re.com/free-sip-providers-3426672<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outloo=
k.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifewire.com%2Ffree-sip-providers-3426672&da=
ta=3D02%7C01%7C%7C980cd2fa4b7946e8371708d5f2855f9c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa=
aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636681577000345204&sdata=3DclGIexjZ7sx6Ny%2B%2BRMgCbZR=
tDZye1DfC19IbLuvQzWo%3D&reserved=3D0> however, I'm doubtful that any
so cal=
led free service will offer the features I need, - primarily PSTN calls,
bu=
t I may like to have a few other bells & whistles such as multiple,
geo-loc=
ated phone numbers etc... (could be handy for me to have a UK number as
wel=
l as a Norwegian number)...

Do any of you chaps use, or have first hand experience of any SIP
providers=
that you'd be happy to recommend - like I said, I'm not anticipating findi=
ng a free account, but I'd like to keep the subs reasonable, otherwise I
co=
uld just go back down the ISP provided route... Being an ISP their add-on
c=
harges for an analog phone port was, to my mind, a bit steep, so I reckon
I=
can DIY it for less, plus it also makes my phone service independent of th=
e ISP, so I can change ISP again in the future if I want to, without
ballsi=
ng up my phone numbers, or interrupting the service...

Cheers!

P.












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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">I&#8217;ve been using mydivert.com
for many years, mainly for inbound DID termination; for outbound I tend to
use 12voip.com, also for many
years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">I have both UK (London) and Spanish DID
numbers with mydivert &#8211; however they&#8217;re not as cheap as
the one you mention below.&nbsp; Something to watch out for is that a
fair number of countries now require proof of
&#8220;residency&#8221;
before they will allocate a geo-located
number.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Graham<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
lang="EN-US"
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">
ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 July 2018 11:18<br>
<b>To:</b> ukha_d@xxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ukha_d] SIP service for Comfort alarm /
SOHO use?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
Roman&quot;,serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Alex, I looked at Sipgate, being
one of the names I was already familiar with, however from what I could
see, it was very UK centric, and could not provide me with a Norwegian
phone number in additional
to a UK one, so I discounted
them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">I too am considering a cheap &amp;
cheerful grandstream ATA, so it&#8217;s good to hear that
you&#8217;re satisfied with its
quality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">One of the providers I&#8217;m
looking quite closely at now is
<a href="http://www.termination.worldcall.be/main.php/";>http://www.termination.worldcall.be/main.php/</a>
which looks like they allow you to add DID numbers at will from almost
anywhere in the world, so I could rent an Oslo number for 1.23 euro/month
plus a
London number for 1.29
euro/month&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Anyone familiar with this
company?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Cheers.&nbsp; </span><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Paul
G.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
lang="EN-US"
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">
<a href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[<a href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 July 2018 12:53<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d] SIP service for Comfort alarm /
SOHO use?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have a few sipgate inbound numbers
and with a bit of fiddling you can get them to run into an asterisk
PABX.<br>
<br>
Not tried an outbound call, but audio quality of the inbound is good to a
fairly basic grandstream sitting on my office desk so see no reason that
the outbound wouldn't be similar.<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
On 25/07/18 10:56, Paul Gordon <a href="mailto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx";>paul_gordon@xxxxxxx</a>
[ukha_d] wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Hey chaps&#8230; since my latest
ISP upgrade a few months ago (to 300MB fibre) I finally decided not to pay
them the extra charge for POTS presentation as I figured I can make do with
mobiles, messaging apps, and my employers SfB etc&#8230; and for
the most part that&#8217;s true.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However my Comfort alarm also made use
of the analog phone line to dial out in alarm events, and whilst I have GSM
backup in the alarm panel for that, it uses a PAYG SIM card, which I seem
to always have no credit on, so I&#8217;m considering
reinstating an analog phone line just for Comfort (initially, I may expand
its use later).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I can source a cheap 1-line ATA no
problem, or even consider upgrading my router to a Draytek Vigor BX2000
(which might be overkill), &nbsp;but the tricky choice is what VOIP
provider to use to provide the SIP
trunk&#8230;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I believe there are
&#8216;free&#8217; SIP providers&#8230; for example: <a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifewire.com%2Ffree-sip-providers-3426672&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C980cd2fa4b7946e8371708d5f2855f9c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636681577000345204&amp;sdata=clGIexjZ7sx6Ny%2B%2BRMgCbZRtDZye1DfC19IbLuvQzWo%3D&amp;reserved=0";>
https://www.lifewire.com/free-sip-providers-3426672</a>
however, I&#8217;m doubtful that any so called free service will offer
the features I need, - primarily PSTN calls, but I may like to have a few
other bells &amp; whistles such as multiple, geo-located phone numbers
etc&#8230; (could be handy for me to have a UK number as well as a
Norwegian number)&#8230;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Do any of you chaps use, or have first
hand experience of any SIP providers that you&#8217;d be happy to
recommend &#8211; like I said, I&#8217;m not anticipating finding a
free account, but I&#8217;d like to keep the subs reasonable, otherwise
I could just go
back down the ISP provided route&#8230; Being an ISP their add-on
charges for an analog phone port was, to my mind, a bit steep, so I reckon
I can DIY it for less, plus it also makes my phone service independent of
the ISP, so I can change ISP again in the future
if I want to, without ballsing up my phone numbers, or interrupting the
service&#8230;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">P.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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