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Just to set the record straight here =E2=80=A6
=20
The BBC sent out notifications to many streaming audio device
manufacturers=
around October last year that they would be rationalising the formats of t=
heir streaming services and made available test streams for manufacturers
t=
o check against=E2=80=A6
=20
I know that we certainly checked against those streams which were
basically=
AAC formatted data and there were no issues so we all stepped back our DEF=
CON status expecting a nice transition=E2=80=A6
=20
*HOWEVER* what *ACTUALLY* happened was when the BBC did do their
changeover=
they embedded the streams inside an HLS wrapper which meant that everyones=
testing was voided and the HLS format hadn=E2=80=99t even been properly de=
fined at the time =E2=80=A6 so the BBC managed to break their support on
a=
n awful lot of manufacturers hardware and the manufacturers had to go all
o=
ut to try to catch and incredibly well greased pig! (i.e. develop code to
s=
upport a =E2=80=98standard=E2=80=99 that hadn=E2=80=99t even been fully
def=
ined at that stage.)
=20
The BBC services changeover was such a glorious clusterf*ck that they had
t=
o backtrack and re-instate the broadcast of MP3 streams whilst everyone
els=
e tried to work out what the hell they had done and what spec they were
run=
ning their encoders to as the new HLS test streams that we were being
hande=
d to test against were often themselves changing formats and specs from
one=
day to the next!
=20
Phil=20=20
=20
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 30 June 2015 14:12
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Audio round the house opti ons?
=20
I agree BBC introduced the issue by changing the technology, although they
=
did give notice 9 months ago I believe.
=20
It is a standards based stream supported by many vendors, Sonos seem to
hav=
e been slower than others to adopt.
=20
The last 2 pages of comments on the link in my previous post are the
releva=
nt comments.
=20
=20
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 30 June 2015 12:22
To: Ukha_D@xxxxxxx <mailto:Ukha_D@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Audio round the house opti ons?
=20
After reading that post it looks more like a BBC issue than a Sonos one.
Us=
er comments also refer to problems with these non-standard streams on
other=
hardware like Pure Evoke and Ruark Audio too.=20
=20
Lots of the first page of comments in that thread also seem to relate to
an=
unrelated general outage of the mp3 streams which was a BBC issue and now =
fixed.
=20
M.
=20
=20
=20
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Craig craigc.lists@xxxxxxx <mailto=
:craigc.lists@xxxxxxx> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukh=
a_d@xxxxxxx> > wrote:
=20
Sonos seem to have dropped the ball recently with BBC radio streams. I
have=
noticed the streams via Sonos are a lot more un reliable than they have be=
en in the past, and it seems I=E2=80=99m not the only one:
=20
https://ask.sonos.com/sonos/topics/support-for-bbc-radio-hls-streams
=20
=20
=20
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> ]=20
Sent: 30 June 2015 09:58
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Audio round the house opti ons?
=20
It's one of those 'just works' products and It's probably the only other
pr=
oduct I'd put in the same category as Apple.=20
=20
M.
=20
=20
=20
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<div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-=
US'>Just to set the record straight here
=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",san=
s-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibr=
i",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The BBC
sent out no=
tifications to many streaming audio device manufacturers around October
las=
t year that they would be rationalising the formats of their streaming
serv=
ices and made available test streams for manufacturers to check against=E2=
=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:EN-US'>I know that we certainly checked against those streams which
we=
re basically AAC formatted data and there were no issues so we all stepped
=
back our DEFCON status expecting a nice
transition=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>*<b>HOWEVE=
R</b>* what *<b>ACTUALLY</b>* happened was when the BBC
did do their change=
over they embedded the streams inside an HLS wrapper which meant that
every=
ones testing was voided and the HLS format hadn=E2=80=99t even been
properl=
y defined at the time =E2=80=A6 =C2=A0so the BBC managed to break their
sup=
port on an awful lot of manufacturers hardware and the manufacturers had
to=
go all out to try to catch and incredibly well greased pig! (i.e. develop =
code to support a =E2=80=98standard=E2=80=99 that hadn=E2=80=99t even been
=
fully defined at that
stage.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D=
;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#=
1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The BBC services changeover was such
a g=
lorious clusterf*ck that they had to backtrack and re-instate the
broadcast=
of MP3 streams whilst everyone else tried to work out what the hell they h=
ad done and what spec they were running their encoders to as the new HLS
te=
st streams that we were being handed to test against were often themselves
=
changing formats and specs from one day to the
next!<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",s=
ans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Phil
=C2=A0<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fa=
reast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div
style=3D'bo=
rder:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm
0cm'><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:uk=
ha_d@xxxxxxx] <br><b>Sent:</b> 30 June 2015
14:12<br><b>To:</b> ukh=
a_d@xxxxxxx<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [ukha_d] Audio round
the house o=
pti
ons?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> <=
/o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#=
1F497D'>I agree BBC introduced the issue by changing the technology,
althou=
gh they did give notice 9 months ago I
believe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-s=
erif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I=
t is a standards based stream supported by many vendors, Sonos seem to
have=
been slower than others to
adopt.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1=
F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The
last 2 pag=
es of comments on the link in my previous post are the relevant
comments.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",s=
ans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span=
></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:=
3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span
lang=
=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>
<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[<a href=3D=
"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br><b>S=
ent:</b> 30 June 2015 12:22<br><b>To:</b> <a
href=3D"mailto:Ukha_D@Yahoogro=
ups.Com">Ukha_D@xxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [ukha_d] Audio r=
ound the house opti
ons?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNor=
mal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt=
'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>After reading that post =
it looks more like a BBC issue than a Sonos one. User comments also refer
t=
o problems with these non-standard streams on other hardware
like Pure=
Evoke and Ruark
Audio too. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNor=
mal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Lots of the first =
page of comments in that thread also seem to relate to an unrelated
general=
outage of the mp3 streams which was a BBC issue and now
fixed.<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal>M.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></d=
iv></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMso=
Normal>On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Craig <a href=3D"mailto:craigc.lis=
ts@xxxxxxx">craigc.lists@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a
href=3D"=
mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>=
> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote
style=3D'border:none;border-left:soli=
d #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0p=
t;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Sonos
seem to =
have dropped the ball recently with BBC radio streams. I have noticed the
s=
treams via Sonos are a lot more un reliable than they have been in the
past=
, and it seems I=E2=80=99m not the only
one:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><=
span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F49=
7D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
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p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a
href=3D"https://ask.sonos.co=
m/sonos/topics/support-for-bbc-radio-hls-streams"
target=3D"_blank">https:/=
/ask.sonos.com/sonos/topics/support-for-bbc-radio-hls-streams</a></span><o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-=
margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
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ns-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US
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Re: [=
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