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I happen to have recently resurrected one of my older ZP80 (unamplified)
So=
nos zoneplayers and have coupled it with this el-cheapo mini amplifier:
htt=
p://www.amazon.co.uk/LP-2020A-Tripath-Class-T-Amplifier-Supply/dp/B00C2P61F=
O/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1435653885&sr=3D8-1&keywords=3Dlepai+lp-2020=
which I picked up for not a lot over =A320, and have coupled it with a dua=
l-channel stereo ceiling speaker (i.e. both stereo channels in a single
spe=
aker, so as not to pepper the ceiling with too many holes).
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I have to say, the result is pleasingly acceptable... I'm not as young as
I=
used to be, so I no longer have golden ears, but I do still have a fairly =
high expectation for audio quality, and I can't tolerate the obvious
weakne=
sses that some others seem to be able to put up with (certainly in my
famil=
y anyway).
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This is installed in a fairly small bathroom - 4m2 - so has no problems
fil=
ling the space with sound, and the lack of positional separation of the
ste=
reo channels isn't a problem - quite the contrary in fact, as one of my
con=
cerns with fitting a stereo pair was that the listening positions -
reclini=
ng in the bath, or stood at the basin, would always be massively closer to
=
one or other of the pair and would thus give very unbalanced listening.
Thi=
s may not provide a good "spatial" separation experience, but at
least all =
of the sound is equally audible anywhere in the room.
=20
I installed an original CR100 controller in a wall cradle by the basin,
and=
am also looking to place a "spare" older iPad into a wall mount
over the b=
ath... - still looking for a suitable mounting mechanism for an original
i=
Pad mark 1 if anyone has any suggestions... a bit of DIY not out of the
que=
stion for that... there is no power available there, so it must be easily
r=
emovable for recharging once a week or so....=20
=20
You just can't beat decent music while relaxing in the bath with a large
gl=
ass of something red... :-)
=20
Paul G.
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> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:20:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Audio round the house options?
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> Hello,
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> I am currently borrowing a Sonos PLAY:1 from work.
>=20
> It is mostly pretty good but these are my negatives:
> * Occasionally it seems to unpair with the bridge and can be a pain
to=20
> get it working again. Connecting directly to Ethernet improved things.
> * You are locked into the Sonos world - you can't just stream using
any=20
> mobile app (like Airplay/Google Cast etc)
> * The sound is very 'Bose' - artificial sounding bass - probably=20
> because of the small speaker size.
> * The low-latency network is very clever but I still think it is
very=20
> expensive for what it is.
>=20
> I guess some of these are solved by using a Sonos CONNECT and your
own=20
> amp and speakers but I don't think I will be buying any Sonos myself.
>=20
>=20
> I am currently using my own amplifier and speakers, connected to an=20
> Airport Express. Not as fancy as Sonos but a hell of a lot cheaper.
You=20
> can also pickup old Airport Express (the slower 802.11b ones) cheaply
on=
=20
> eBay, which work perfectly well for audio - I actually have Wifi
turned=20
> off in mine.
>=20
>=20
> Something else I am looking into is an amplifier board for
Raspberry=20
> Pi:
> https://www.tindie.com/products/IQaudIO/pi-digiamp-2x20w-powerdac-for-the=
-raspberry-pi/
>=20
> But not looking into what software I would run on it yet...
>=20
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> nick.
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> On 2015-06-29 11:08, Mark McCall lists@xxxxxxx [ukha_d]=20
> wrote:
> > We ran speaker wires too but never used. Just go Sonos.
> >
> > M.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Tracey Gardner
> > tracey.gardner@xxxxxxx [1] [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx [2]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>=20=20
> >> I am now in the final stages of my self-build and am starting
to
> >> think how to implement music/audio around the place.
> >>=20=20
> >> My wiring/cabling consists of a network of pairs of heavy
duty
> >> loudspeaker cables out to speaker locations in the ceiling of
each
> >> room.
> >> The intention was to allow for central control of the system
from my
> >> Node 0.
> >> I also provided CAT 5 at several points around each room to
allow
> >> for IR control if necessary, but I imagine that wireless will
have
> >> superseded that idea?
> >>=20=20
> >> At the time of planning/implementing this network, there was
not a
> >> great deal of choice in audio/control systems and I would now
like
> >> to know what the up to date options are.
> >>=20=20
> >> So please feel free to flood me with ideas :-)
> >>=20=20
> >> Many thanks
> >>=20=20
> >> Tracey
> >> Lincolnshire
> >>
> >>=20=20
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> >
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<div dir=3D'ltr'>I happen to have recently resurrected one of my
older ZP80=
(unamplified) Sonos zoneplayers and have coupled it with this
el-chea=
po mini amplifier: <a href=3D"http://www.amazon.co.uk/LP-2020A-Tr=
ipath-Class-T-Amplifier-Supply/dp/B00C2P61FO/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=
=3D1435653885&sr=3D8-1&keywords=3Dlepai+lp-2020">http://www.amazon.=
co.uk/LP-2020A-Tripath-Class-T-Amplifier-Supply/dp/B00C2P61FO/ref=3Dsr_1_1?=
ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1435653885&sr=3D8-1&keywords=3Dlepai+lp-2020</a=
> which I picked up for not a lot over =A320, and have coupled
it with=
a dual-channel stereo ceiling speaker (i.e. both stereo channels in a sing=
le speaker, so as not to pepper the ceiling with too many
holes).<BR> =
<BR>I have to say, the result is pleasingly acceptable... I'm not as
young =
as I used to be, so I no longer have golden ears, but I do still have a
fai=
rly high expectation for audio quality, and I can't tolerate the obvious
we=
aknesses that some others seem to be able to put up with (certainly in my
f=
amily anyway).<BR> <BR>This is installed in a fairly
small bathroom - =
4m2 - so has no problems filling the space with sound, and the lack of
posi=
tional separation of the stereo channels isn't a problem - quite the
contra=
ry in fact, as one of my concerns with fitting a stereo pair was that the
l=
istening positions - reclining in the bath, or stood at the basin, would
al=
ways be massively closer to one or other of the pair and would thus give
ve=
ry unbalanced listening. This may not provide a good "spatial"
separation e=
xperience, but at least all of the sound is equally audible anywhere in
the=
room.<BR> <BR>I installed an original CR100 controller
in a wall crad=
le by the basin, and am also looking to place a "spare" older
iPad into a w=
all mount over the bath... - still looking for a suitable
mounting me=
chanism for an original iPad mark 1 if anyone has any
suggestions... a=
bit of DIY not out of the question for that... there is no power available=
there, so it must be easily removable for recharging once a week or so....=
<BR> <BR>You just can't beat decent music while
relaxing in the bath =
with a large glass of something red...
:-)<BR> <BR>Paul G.<BR> <B=
R> <BR><br> <BR><div>>
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<br>> From=
: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<br>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:20:01
+0100<br>&=
gt; Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Audio round the house options?<br>>
<br>> H=
ello,<br>> <br>> I am currently borrowing a Sonos
PLAY:1 from work.<b=
r>> <br>> It is mostly pretty good but these are my
negatives:<br>>=
; * Occasionally it seems to unpair with the bridge and can be a pain to
<b=
r>> get it working again. Connecting directly to Ethernet
improved thing=
s.<br>> * You are locked into the Sonos world - you can't just
stream us=
ing any <br>> mobile app (like Airplay/Google Cast
etc)<br>> * The so=
und is very 'Bose' - artificial sounding bass - probably <br>>
because o=
f the small speaker size.<br>> * The low-latency network is
very clever =
but I still think it is very <br>> expensive for what it
is.<br>> <br=
>> I guess some of these are solved by using a Sonos CONNECT and
your ow=
n <br>> amp and speakers but I don't think I will be buying
any Sonos my=
self.<br>> <br>> <br>> I am
currently using my own amplifier and s=
peakers, connected to an <br>> Airport Express. Not as fancy
as Sonos bu=
t a hell of a lot cheaper. You <br>> can also pickup old
Airport Express=
(the slower 802.11b ones) cheaply on <br>> eBay, which work
perfectly w=
ell for audio - I actually have Wifi turned <br>> off in
mine.<br>> <=
br>> <br>> Something else I am looking into is an
amplifier board for=
Raspberry <br>> Pi:<br>> https://www.tindie.com/products/IQaudIO/pi-=
digiamp-2x20w-powerdac-for-the-raspberry-pi/<br>>
<br>> But not looki=
ng into what software I would run on it yet...<br>>
<br>> <br>> ni=
ck.<br>> <br>> <br>>
<br>> On 2015-06-29 11:08, Mark McCall lis=
ts@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] <br>> wrote:<br>> > We
ran speaker=
wires too but never used. Just go Sonos.<br>>
><br>> > M.<br>&=
gt; ><br>> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM,
Tracey Gardner<br>&g=
t; > tracey.gardner@xxxxxxx [1] [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
[2]><br>> > wrote:<br>>
><br>> >> <br>>
&=
gt;> I am now in the final stages of my self-build and am starting
to<br=
>> >> think how to implement music/audio around the
place.<br>>=
>> <br>> >> My
wiring/cabling consists of a network o=
f pairs of heavy duty<br>> >> loudspeaker cables
out to speaker lo=
cations in the ceiling of each<br>> >>
room.<br>> >> The =
intention was to allow for central control of the system from
my<br>> &g=
t;> Node 0.<br>> >> I also provided CAT 5
at several points aro=
und each room to allow<br>> >> for IR control if
necessary, but I =
imagine that wireless will have<br>> >>
superseded that idea?<br>&=
gt; >> <br>> >> At the
time of planning/implementing t=
his network, there was not a<br>> >> great deal
of choice in audio=
/control systems and I would now like<br>> >> to
know what the up =
to date options are.<br>> >>
<br>> >> So pleas=
e feel free to flood me with ideas :-)<br>> >>
<br>> >=
> Many thanks<br>> >>
<br>> >> Tracey<br>>
&g=
t;> Lincolnshire<br>>
>><br>> >>
<br>> >&g=
t; <br>> ><br>> >
<br>> ><br>> >
Links:<br>&g=
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