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One positive thing to add Paul is that the Smart Lights app is currently
the one and only app that does run locally on the ST hub. It only
controls devices of specific types locally and then only if they use the
standard device code. Some Z-Wave devices seem to fit this requirement
plus the included ZigBee devices - e.g. the power switch although I
suspect Hue doesn't. If you modify the device code at all then the
device is then considered not local to the hub and runs via the cloud.
My experience, like Phil's, is that latency is tolerably good - under a
couple of seconds. Not quite the instant C-Bus speed your used to but
typically better than IFTTT. If Phil is reporting 'instant' then just
maybe all his devices are being controlled locally. The web portal can
show you which devices and apps are local and which are cloud based.
Phil, if Hue control is running locally and you use the modified
driver then it will definitely put it in the cloud.
If you do go the ST route Paul then worth checking their direct web
sales site as they currently have offers on - it was £149 rather
than
£199 for the starter kit during Black Fri week although now I
think they
are back at £199 but with an included extra module worth around
£35-45 ish
K
On 07/12/2015 16:59, Phil Hooker phil@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] wrote:
>
>
> Yes with the standard smart lighting app. I use a motion sensor to
> turn on my hall lights (all hue) and xmas tree (wall socket). I
> actually run two separate instances as the xmas tree is on with any
> movement, but the hall lights are only used after sunset and movement.
> It treats sockets as lights for this app.
>
> SmartThings does't natively support hue scenes, but I just made it set
> the bulbs to whatever level I wanted (mirrored the scenes on the hue
> bridge). But I did notice that someone has changed the hue interface
> to load scenes from the hue bridge so I may switch to that. It needs
> all bulbs removed as it's a different device driver which is a pain
> for me as I have loads.
>
>
>
> On 7 December 2015 at 15:50, Paul Gale groups2@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:groups2@xxxxxxx> [ukha_d]
<ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Phil,
>
> Can you combine a Hue scene and another Z-Wave (for example)
> device â?? i.e. if I have a Hue Christmas light scene that
sets a
> number of lamps, can I somehow add in a Z-Wave (in my case a
> couple of TKBHome) device to add tree lights to that scene? I
> think what Iâ??m trying to say is, are the smartthings scenes
(or
> whatever passes for scenes) capable of controlling several
> different devices including Hue lamps all together?
>
> Ta,
>
> Paul.
>
> *From:*ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>]
> *Sent:* 07 December 2015 15:43
>
>
> *To:* ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* Re: [ukha_d] Smartthings?
>
>
>
>
> I recently switched from Fibaro HCL to SmartThings v2 UK. I have
> loads of hue bulbs and everything works as expected. I use a
> combination of controls including SmartThings motion sensors,
> Fibaro motion sensors, Flic buttons (love these but not integrated
> into SmartThings yet). SmartThings uses the cloud but I don't
> notice any latency and I have a pretty low end internet connection
> curtesy of living in the country. As people walk into the hall or
> room then the hue bulbs come on and the xmas tree lights with no
> noticeable delay. I do have local switches in case of internet
> issues but luckily not needed them yet.
>
> Is ST perfect? no, but I am much happier than I was with Fibaro. I
> will probably end up using both as I need multiple hue bridges and
> ST doesn't handle more than one hue bridge.
>
> On 7 December 2015 at 15:21, Paul Gale groups2@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:groups2@xxxxxxx> [ukha_d]
<ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Very exciting â?? exploring it now.
>
> Mytouchhome app is good
>
> Paul.
>
> *From:*ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>]
> *Sent:* 07 December 2015 15:09
> *To:* ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* Re: [ukha_d] Smartthings?
>
>
>
> Mr McCall hones his mind reading skills yet again :-)
>
> That's the one.
>
> On 07/12/2015 15:00, Kevin Hawkins wrote:
>
>
> I was reading about a third party project that allows
> several different architectures to be exposed as HomeKit
> controllable. This might cover Z-Wave. You might then be
> able to use one of the HomeKit control applications. I'll
> try and dig out a link -
>
> On 07/12/2015 14:47, Mark McCall wrote:
>
> Paul
>
> I have a post in the queue for tomorrow for 'Homebrige' -
> might be worth a look for you...
>
> https://github.com/nfarina/homebridge
>
> M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">One positive thing to add Paul
is that
the Smart Lights app is currently the one and only app that does
run locally on the ST hub. It only controls devices of specific
types locally and then only if they use the standard device code.
Some Z-Wave devices seem to fit this requirement plus the included
ZigBee devices - e.g. the power switch although I suspect Hue
doesn't. Â If you modify the device code at all then the device
is
then considered not local to the hub and runs via the cloud.Â
<br>
<br>
My experience, like Phil's, is that latency is tolerably good -
under a couple of seconds. Not quite the instant C-Bus speed your
used to but typically better than IFTTT.  If Phil is
reporting
'instant' then just maybe all his devices are being controlled
locally. The web portal can show you which devices and apps are
local and which are cloud based. Phil, if Hue
control is running
locally and you use the modified driver then it will definitely
put it in the cloud.<br>
<br>
If you do go the ST route Paul then worth checking their direct
web sales site as they currently have offers on - it was £149
rather than £199 for the starter kit during Black Fri week
although now I think they are back at £199 but with an included
extra module worth around £35-45 ish<br>
<br>
K<br>
<br>
On 07/12/2015 16:59, Phil Hooker <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:phil@xxxxxxx";>phil@xxxxxxx</a>
[ukha_d]
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Yes with the standard smart lighting app. I
use a
motion sensor to turn on my hall lights (all hue) and xmas tree
(wall socket). I actually run two separate instances as the xmas
tree is on with any movement, but the hall lights are only used
after sunset and movement. It treats sockets as lights for this
app.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>SmartThings does't natively support hue scenes, but I just
made it set the bulbs to whatever level I wanted (mirrored the
scenes on the hue bridge). But I did notice that someone has
changed the hue interface to load scenes from the hue bridge
so I may switch to that. It needs all bulbs removed as it's a
different device driver which is a pain for me as I have
loads.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 7 December 2015 at 15:50, Paul
Gale
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:groups2@xxxxxxx";>groups2@xxxxxxx</a>
[ukha_d] <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
Phil,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Can
you combine a Hue scene and another Z-Wave (for
example) device â?? i.e. if I have a Hue Christmas
light scene that sets a number of lamps, can I
somehow add in a Z-Wave (in my case a couple of
TKBHome) device to add tree lights to that scene? I
think what Iâ??m trying to say is, are the smartthings
scenes (or whatever passes for scenes) capable of
controlling several different devices including Hue
lamps all together?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ta,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 December 2015 15:43</span></p>
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d] Smartthings?</div>
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<div class="h5">
<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I recently switched from
Fibaro HCL to SmartThings v2 UK. I have loads of
hue bulbs and everything works as expected. I
use a combination of controls including
SmartThings motion sensors, Fibaro motion
sensors, Flic buttons (love these but not
integrated into SmartThings yet). SmartThings
uses the cloud but I don't notice any latency
and I have a pretty low end internet connection
curtesy of living in the country. As people walk
into the hall or room then the hue bulbs come on
and the xmas tree lights with no noticeable
delay. I do have local switches in case of
internet issues but luckily not needed them yet.</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is ST perfect? no, but I am
much happier than I was with Fibaro. I will
probably end up using both as I need multiple
hue bridges and ST doesn't handle more than
one hue bridge.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 7 December 2015 at
15:21, Paul Gale <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:groups2@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">
groups2@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a></a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Very
exciting â?? exploring it now.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mytouchhome
app is good</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul.</span></p>
</div>
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lang="EN-US">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a></a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 December 2015
15:09<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target="_blank"><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d]
Smartthings?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mr McCall hones
his mind reading skills yet again
:-)<br>
<br>
That's the one.<br>
<br>
On 07/12/2015 15:00, Kevin HawkinsÂ
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
I was reading about a third party
project that allows several
different architectures to be
exposed as HomeKit controllable.Â
This might cover Z-Wave. You might
then be able to use one of the
HomeKit control applications. I'll
try and dig out a link -</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 07/12/2015
14:47, Mark McCall wrote:</p>
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</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have a post
in the queue for tomorrow for
'Homebrige' - might be worth a
look for you...</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
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href="https://github.com/nfarina/homebridge";
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/nfarina/homebridge";>https://github.com/nfarina/homebridge</a></a></p>
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