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A good amount of food for thought - thanks Kevin.
I kind of wanted control from either Homekit or my Harmony remote (which
do=
es everything else in the living room) - I'm sure there's a way to do that
=
somehow! Will need to keep digging. Don't really want an overly complex
sol=
ution.
Shame there isn't a Philips Hue plug socket device - seems like an obvious
=
need.
I do have IF (IFTTT) app on my phone - have done some very basic
experiment=
ation. I don't think it can use a scene change or even a Hue lamp being
tur=
ned on as a trigger though? Need to research more...
Thanks,
Paul.
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 07 December 2015 14:34
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Smartthings?
On 07/12/2015 13:20, Paul Gale wrote:
that the mass market HA devices and controllers all have huge issues. Do
th=
ey just under-estimate the amount of effort required to get these things
wo=
rking I wonder - or are they just incompetent?
With SmartThings it seems to be an overriding marketing decision to launch
=
the product, even though it had these known problems. To launch in the UK
w=
hen they did was such a bad experience for any experienced user. However
i=
nterestingly there is very informed comment on the forum that overall this
=
was probably the right thing to do as the grief they are now enduring is
ac=
tually only being voiced by a niche of their customers from a volume
perspe=
ctive and invisible to their mass market.
The HC2 is still a long way off from working well too it seems with poor
su=
pport. My motion sensor LUX level still only works intermittently. The
inte=
rface and GUI looks nice but when you get down to it, it's still very
clunk=
y and isn't very useable, let alone by anyone else in the house!
Agreed - it's another product with potential but just under invested in
sup=
port and development by the manufacturer. The Vera Plus launches this
mont=
h too.
What I'm wondering currently is if there's a way to detect a Hue scene
bein=
g triggered (or even a hue lamp being triggered) and then turning on a
Z-Wa=
ve plug socket? The Hue plugin doesn't seem very capable at all
unfortunate=
ly.
I had assumed so, but from what you say obviously not. I don't have my
Hue=
's connected to Fibaro, they are currently on ST and OpenHAB. I'll give
it=
a try if I get a moment. Not sure if it's a poor plugin design or if it=
's some other aspect.
There is a patent held by Lutron that prohibits wireless lights updating
st=
ate in real time when operated locally - this maybe extends to control
from=
another application. An overly broad patent in my opinion as it seems su=
ch a fundamental requirement but I understand Lutron have been quite
vigoro=
us in enforcing it. I think that it fundamentally impacts Z-Wave and
ZigBe=
e functionality resulting in a need to poll devices for status. Maybe that
=
stops realtime updates from Hue back to HC2, and Comfort Z-Wave for
example=
can't update HC2 with real time zone status.
So, another possibility. You could possibly use IFTTT to do this - if you
h=
ave any controller with IFTTT capability ? IFTTT supports Hue but not
HC2=
directly You can use the IFTTT maker channel to trigger a HC2 scene but t=
hat requires you open your HC2 to the Internet which you might not wish to
=
do. Authenticated cloud access to HC2 is problematic.
https://ifttt.com/maker
Or.. you could enlist a Wemo switch (=A330ish) or Insight which use IP for
=
control. Wemo has a dependable IFTTT channel and so you could indirectly
li=
nk Hue and Wemo. Wemos used to be another really bad product but recent
fi=
rmware updates have made them pretty reliable again. Wemo is directly
sup=
ported by ST and OpenHAB but not by Fibaro (or Vera).
A search through IFTTT's supported channels might even pull up something
yo=
u already own that you could use.
I'm sure others will have a few suggestions too...
K
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext">A good amount of food for thought –
thanks Kevi=
n.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext">I kind of wanted control from either Homekit
or my Ha=
rmony remote (which does everything else in the living room) –
I̵=
7;m sure there’s a way to do that somehow! Will need to keep
digging. Don’t really want an overly complex
solution.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext">Shame there isn’t a Philips Hue
plug socket dev=
ice – seems like an obvious
need.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext">I do have IF (IFTTT) app on my phone
– have don=
e some very basic experimentation. I don’t think it can use a
scene c=
hange or even a Hue lamp being turned on as a trigger though?
Need to research
more…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-GB">Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"col=
or:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:u=
kha_d@xxxxxxx]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 December 2015 14:34<br>
<b>To:</b> ukha_d@xxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d]
Smartthings?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 07/12/2015 13:20, Paul Gale
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext">that the mass market HA devices and
controllers all h=
ave huge issues. Do they just under-estimate the amount of effort required
=
to get these things working I wonder – or are
they just incompetent?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">With
SmartThings it s=
eems to be an overriding marketing decision to launch the product, even
tho=
ugh it had these known problems. To launch in
the UK when they did was such a bad experience for any experienced
user.&n=
bsp; However interestingly there is very informed comment on the forum
that=
overall this was probably the right thing to do as the grief they are now =
enduring is actually only being voiced
by a niche of their customers from a volume perspective and invisible to t=
heir mass market.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext">The HC2 is still a long way off from working
well too=
it seems with poor support. My motion sensor LUX level still only works in=
termittently. The interface and GUI looks nice
but when you get down to it, it’s still very clunky and
isn’t =
very useable, let alone by anyone else in the
house!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Agreed -
it's another=
product with potential but just under invested in support and development =
by the manufacturer. The Vera Plus launches this
month too.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:windowtext">What I’m wondering currently is if
there’=
s a way to detect a Hue scene being triggered (or even a hue lamp being
tri=
ggered) and then turning on a Z-Wave plug socket? The Hue
plugin doesn’t seem very capable at all
unfortunately.</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
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style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><br>
I had assumed so, but from what you say obviously not. I don't
have m=
y Hue's connected to Fibaro, they are currently on ST and
OpenHAB. I'=
ll give it a try if I get a moment. Not sure
if it's a po=
or plugin design or if it's some other aspect.<br>
<br>
There is a patent held by Lutron that prohibits wireless lights updating
st=
ate in real time when operated locally - this maybe extends to control
from=
another application. An overly broad patent in my
opinion as i=
t seems such a fundamental requirement but
I understand Lutron have been quite vigorous in enforcing it. I
thin=
k that it fundamentally impacts Z-Wave and ZigBee functionality resulting
i=
n a need to poll devices for status. Maybe that stops realtime updates
from=
Hue back to HC2, and Comfort Z-Wave
for example can't update HC2 with real time zone status. <br>
<br>
So, another possibility. You could possibly use IFTTT to do this - if you
h=
ave any controller with IFTTT capability ? IFTTT
supports Hue b=
ut not HC2 directly You can use the IFTTT maker channel to
trigger a =
HC2 scene but that requires you open your HC2 to
the Internet which you might not wish to do. Authenticated cloud
acc=
ess to HC2 is problematic.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://ifttt.com/maker";>https://ifttt.com/maker</a><br>
<br>
Or.. you could enlist a Wemo switch (=A330ish) or Insight which use IP for
=
control. Wemo has a dependable IFTTT channel and so you could indirectly
li=
nk Hue and Wemo. Wemos used to be another really bad product but
rece=
nt firmware updates have made them pretty
reliable again. Wemo is directly supported by ST and
OpenHAB b=
ut not by Fibaro (or Vera).
<br>
<br>
A search through IFTTT's supported channels might even pull up something
yo=
u already own that you could use.<br>
<br>
I'm sure others will have a few suggestions too... <br>
<br>
K<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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