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Thanks - replied off-list. :)
Paul.
On 19 Apr 2015, at 10:08, Steve Jones email@xxxxxxx<mailto:email@ste=
vejones.org> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
>> wrote:
Paul,
Answers to your questions below =96
How well do general Z Wave devices work with HC2? =96
Most of my devices are Fibaro so work without problem. I do have a POPP
pl=
ug-in module which flags as template missing but it works fine. I have
req=
uested the template be included with Fibaro technical so it should be
inclu=
ded in the future. Search the Fibaro forum for =91missing templates=92
the=
n you can judge if that=92s an issue for you. It=92s no deal breaker for
m=
e at the moment.
is this the schema for the device (like a smoke detector having various
par=
ameters)? -
Yes you are correct.
Are you around today?
Yes early evening would probably be better though.
With all the negative points I raised regarding the Fibaro Home Center 2.
=
I=92m glad I upgraded to this controller and I would do it again if the
clo=
ck was turned back. I say this because I=92m sure in time these small
issu=
es will be resolved. However its best you are made aware from the start.
=
I wasn=92t.
Steve
Kind Regards,
_________________________________________
Steve Jones
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_d@=
yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 19 April 2015 09:55
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
Ah that's all interesting. How well do general Z Wave devices work with
HC2=
- when you say 'templates' is this the schema for the device (like a smoke=
detector having various parameters)?
Are you around today?
Cheers,
Paul.
Paul Gale
Director
Silicon Pixel Limited
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Skype: siliconpixel
On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:39, Steve Jones email@xxxxxxx<mailto:email@ste=
vejones.org> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
>> wrote:
Paul,
These Z-Wave switches look nice. I dont know anything about them though!
http://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-mco-touch-panel-switch-two-load
Another thing to note.. The Z-Wave protocol should be universal and this
is=
written in the specs, meaning that all Z-Wave products should work togethe=
r. However some features may not be supported with some Z-Wave products.
=
There is also a revision in the specs called Z-Wave Plus, the specs say it
=
should be backward compatible but the Plus features may not be supported
wi=
th older Z-Wave products. I think one of the new Plus features is a
longer=
range. There is no word on if the HC2 supports Plus yet!.
Oh one other negative for the HC2, due to the locked down nature its not
po=
ssible to add templates for device features that are not already included
i=
n the firmware of the OS. It has to be done by emailing Fibaro the
technic=
al specs of the product you want adding together with a template of the
dev=
ice you included in your system and they say it will be added in a coming
f=
irmware update. At the moment this is a slow process due to their
workload=
.
This is a very good resource from Vesternet and shows what devices they
hav=
e tested with each controller/firmware. ITS A MUST READ!
http://www.vesternet.com/compatibility/z-wave-compatibility-guide
Yes you are welcome to TeamViewer in to my HC2 when do you want to do it?
Steve
Kind Regards,
_________________________________________
Steve Jones
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_d@=
yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 19 April 2015 09:18
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
Thanks Steve,
I'm pretty excited about the HC2 and particularly the dimmer modules etc
th=
at they have. Seem to have the functionality I use regularly with my CBus
u=
nits but at a fraction of the cost! Obviously no LCD displays but should
be=
good with the right switches (still to research).
I might take you up on having a look around your system when you have a mo
=
if that's still ok?
Cheers,
Paul.
On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:02, Steve Jones email@xxxxxxx<mailto:email@ste=
vejones.org> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
>> wrote:
Yes I prefer the HC2 for two reasons.
One it has a faster response time than the VeraLite. i.e. when multiple
com=
mands are sent at once, dim, dim etc. (However the VeraLite is a low spec
c=
ontroller and there are other Veras options also available). Dont forget
bo=
th Fibaro and Vera will interface with HomeVision via http requests I can
h=
elp you with this if you need it.
The other reason is it has a much better user interface, both for setup
and=
what I can endpoint screens. iPad and iPhone, I dont have any Android but =
there is a Fibaro App available for this also.
The negatives for Fibaro
1) The OS has been totally revamped around Christmas time and has been
r=
eleased as a beta, it still has many bugs. Fibaro are fixing them but
they=
are slow. When the HC2 is shipped it comes with the stable version but no=
t as feature rich as the beta upgrades. (Im not sure what features are
miss=
ing.) As we are on the cutting edge/early adopters a lot of us dont mind
wa=
iting for updates, tinkering and fixing stuff with workarounds.
2) The Fibaro forums are useful but not as mature as the Micasaverde
(Ve=
ra) forums
3) Even though the user interfaces are nice they are not customisable.
I=
believe you can use Roomie, NetIO or a simple webpage via the HTTP API if =
this is needed.
4) No third party plug-ins allowed yet by Fibaro
5) A problem for both the Fibaro and the Vera there are no I/Os on the
c=
ontrollers, they are wireless only units, hence good we have the HTTP API.
=
In the future I may look at using some itach devices. designed to connect
a=
lmost any electrical device to a network in a matter of minutes http://www=
.globalcache.com/products/itach/
Good luck with you final choice, I would love to hear what you go for and
y=
our experiences.
Steve
Kind Regards,
_________________________________________
Steve Jones
email@xxxxxxx<mailto:email@xxxxxxx>
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_d@=
yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 19 April 2015 08:22
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
Thanks Steve,
You mentioned that you're going from Vera to HC2. Which do you prefer? I'm
=
guessing the HC2?
Thanks,
Paul.
_____________________________
From: Steve Jones email@xxxxxxx<mailto:email@xxxxxxx> [ukha_d=
] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 07:59
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>>
Hi Paul,
I cant help you with advice on Z-Wave Alarm systems. However, if you end
u=
p choosing the Fibaro Home Center 2 it has a built in plug-in for a Satel
A=
larm System. Im sure the Vera will have many more plug-in options for
alarm=
s.
The Fibaro is sadly lacking in plug-ins, as its not currently open to
third=
party developers. Albeit its said to be coming in the future.
Kind Regards,
_________________________________________
Steve Jones
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_d@=
yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 19 April 2015 07:39
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
So as I'll be losing Comfort in the new house, what wire-free alarm
systems=
that have good Z Wave connectivity should I be looking at? Not interested =
in a monitored system but something that is reliable with battery powered
P=
IRs etc. main panel can be mains powered of course.
Thanks,
Paul.
On 16 Apr 2015, at 07:58, Paul Gale groups2@xxxxxxx<mailto:groups2=
@siliconpixel.com> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@yahoogrou=
ps.com>> wrote:
Thanks Steve :)
Paul.
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_d@=
yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 16 April 2015 07:44
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx<mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Best group/forum for z wave and alarm advice?
http://forum.fibaro.com/
http://forum.micasaverde.com/
Kind Regards,
_________________________
Steve Jones
email@xxxxxxx<mailto:email@xxxxxxx>
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<div>Thanks - replied off-list. :)<br>
<br>
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age:EN-US">Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Answers
to your q=
uestions below =96<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>How well do general Z Wave
devices work with HC2?=
</u> =96 <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of my devices are Fibaro so
work without proble=
m. I do have a POPP plug-in module which flags as template
missing bu=
t it works fine. I have requested the template be included with
Fibar=
o technical so it should be included in the
future. Search the Fibaro forum for =91missing templates=92 then
you=
can judge if that=92s an issue for you. It=92s no deal breaker
for m=
e at the moment.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>is this the schema for the
device (like a smoke d=
etector having various parameters)?</u> -
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes you are correct.<span
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;Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>Are you around
today?<o:p></o:p></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes early evening would probably be
better though. <=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">With all the negative points I
raised regarding the =
Fibaro Home Center 2. I=92m glad I upgraded to this controller
and I =
would do it again if the clock was turned back. I say this
because I=
=92m sure in time these small issues will be resolved.
However its best you are made aware from the start. I
wasn=92t.<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Steve<span
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uot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D"> <br>
Kind Regards, <br>
_________________________________________ <br>
Steve Jones<br>
<br>
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<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 April 2015 09:55<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z
Wave connec=
tivity?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg">
<div id=3D"ygrp-msg">
<div id=3D"ygrp-text">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ah that's all interesting. How well
do general Z Wav=
e devices work with HC2 - when you say 'templates' is this the schema for
t=
he device (like a smoke detector having various
parameters)?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Are you around
today?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<div>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul
Gale <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Director <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Silicon Pixel
Limited<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://www.siliconpixel.com/";><span
style=
=3D"color:black">www.siliconpixel.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tel: <a
href=3D"tel:01367%20243317">01367 24331=
7</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mob: <a
href=3D"tel:07730%20465685">07730 46568=
5</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype:
siliconpixel<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:39, Steve Jones <a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx=
g">email@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogrou=
ps.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">These Z-Wave
switches look nice.&nbs=
p; I dont know anything about them
though!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><a href=3D"http://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-mco-touch-panel-switch-=
two-load">http://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-mco-touch-panel-switch-two-load</=
a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Another
thing to note.. The Z-Wave p=
rotocol should be universal and this is written in the specs, meaning that
=
all Z-Wave products should work together.
However some features may not be supported with some Z-Wave
products. =
; There is also a revision in the specs called Z-Wave Plus, the specs say
i=
t should be backward compatible but the Plus features may not be supported
=
with older Z-Wave products. I think
one of the new Plus features is a longer range. There is no word
on =
if the HC2 supports Plus
yet!.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Oh one other
negative for the HC2, d=
ue to the locked down nature its not possible to add templates for device
f=
eatures that are not already included
in the firmware of the OS. It has to be done by emailing Fibaro
the =
technical specs of the product you want adding together with a template of
=
the device you included in your system and they say it will be added in a
c=
oming firmware update. At the moment
this is a slow process due to their
workload.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">This is a
very good resource from Ve=
sternet and shows what devices they have tested with each
controller/firmwa=
re. ITS A MUST
READ!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><a href=3D"http://www.vesternet.com/compatibility/z-wave-compatibi=
lity-guide">http://www.vesternet.com/compatibility/z-wave-compatibility-gui=
de</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Yes you are
welcome to TeamViewer in=
to my HC2 when do you want to do
it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Steve <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Kind Regards, <br>
_________________________________________ <br>
Steve Jones<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm =
0mm 0mm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">
<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 April 2015 09:18<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z
Wave connec=
tivity?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg">
<div id=3D"ygrp-msg">
<div id=3D"ygrp-text">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Thanks Steve,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">I'm pretty excited about the HC2 and particularly the
dimmer modul=
es etc that they have. Seem to have the functionality I use regularly with
=
my CBus units but at a fraction of the
cost! Obviously no LCD displays but should be good with the right switches=
(still to research). <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">I might take you up on having a look around your system
when you h=
ave a mo if that's still ok?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0p=
t">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Paul.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0p=
t"><br>
On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:02, Steve Jones <a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx=
g">email@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogrou=
ps.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Yes I prefer
the HC2 for two reasons=
.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">One it has a
faster response time th=
an the VeraLite. i.e. when multiple commands are sent at once, dim, dim
etc=
. (However the VeraLite is a low spec
controller and there are other Veras options also available). Dont forget =
both Fibaro and Vera will interface with HomeVision via http requests I
can=
help you with this if you need
it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The other
reason is it has a much be=
tter user interface, both for setup and what I can endpoint screens. iPad
a=
nd iPhone, I dont have any Android but
there is a Fibaro App available for this
also.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The
negatives for Fibaro
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">1)</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The OS has been
totally revamped aroun=
d Christmas time and has been released as a beta, it still has many
bugs.&n=
bsp; Fibaro are fixing them but they are slow. When the HC2 is
shippe=
d it comes with the stable version but not as
feature rich as the beta upgrades. (Im not sure what features are missing.=
) As we are on the cutting edge/early adopters a lot of us dont mind
waitin=
g for updates, tinkering and fixing stuff with workarounds.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">2)</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The Fibaro
forums are useful but not a=
s mature as the Micasaverde (Vera)
forums</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">3)</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Even though the
user interfaces are ni=
ce they are not customisable. I believe you can use Roomie, NetIO or a
simp=
le webpage via the HTTP API if this is
needed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">4)</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">No third party
plug-ins allowed yet by=
Fibaro </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">5)</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A problem for
both the Fibaro and the =
Vera there are no I/Os on the controllers, they are wireless only units,
he=
nce good we have the HTTP API. In the future I may look at using some
itach=
devices.
</span><span
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#555555;background:white">desi=
gned to connect almost any electrical device to a network in a matter of
mi=
nutes</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">
</span><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.globalcache.com/products/itach/">http://www.globalcache.com/products/ita=
ch/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Good luck
with you final choice, I w=
ould love to hear what you go for and your
experiences.</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Steve <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Kind Regards, <br>
_________________________________________ <br>
Steve Jones<br>
</span><a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx";><span
style=3D"color:#0563C1=
">email@xxxxxxx</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm =
0mm 0mm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">
<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 April 2015 08:22<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z
Wave connec=
tivity?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg">
<div id=3D"ygrp-msg">
<div id=3D"ygrp-text">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Thanks Steve,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">You mentioned that you're going from Vera to HC2. Which do
you pre=
fer? I'm guessing the HC2?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Paul.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0p=
t">_____________________________<br>
From: Steve Jones <a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx";>email@stevejones.=
org</a> [ukha_d] <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@yahoo=
groups.com</a>><br>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 07:59<br>
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave
connectivity?=
<br>
To: <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a=
>><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi
Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I cant help
you with advice on Z-Wav=
e Alarm systems. However, if you end up choosing the Fibaro Home
Cent=
er 2 it has a built in plug-in for a Satel
Alarm System. Im sure the Vera will have many more plug-in options for ala=
rms. </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The Fibaro
is sadly lacking in plug-=
ins, as its not currently open to third party developers. Albeit its said
t=
o be coming in the future.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
<br>
Kind Regards, <br>
_________________________________________ <br>
Steve Jones</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">
<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 April 2015 07:39<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z
Wave connectivi=
ty?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">So as I'll be losing Comfort in the new house, what
wire-free alar=
m systems that have good Z Wave connectivity should I be looking at? Not
in=
terested in a monitored system but something
that is reliable with battery powered PIRs etc. main panel can be mains po=
wered of course. <o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0p=
t">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Paul.<o:p></o:p></p>
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t"><br>
On 16 Apr 2015, at 07:58, Paul Gale <a href=3D"mailto:groups2@siliconpixel.=
com">groups2@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a
href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yah=
oogroups.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Thanks
Steve
</span><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><span
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
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lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Paul.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">
<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>
[<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 April 2015 07:44<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ukha_d] Re: Best group/forum for z wave and
alarm advice?<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><a href=3D"http://forum.fibaro.com/";>http://forum.fibaro.com/</a><=
o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><a href=3D"http://forum.micasaverde.com/";>http://forum.micasaverde=
.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto"><br>
<br>
Kind Regards, <br>
_________________________<br>
Steve Jones<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx";>email@xxxxxxx</a>
<o:p></o:p=
></p>
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