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Paul,
Answers to your questions below =E2=80=93
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How well do general Z Wave devices work with HC2? =E2=80=93=20
Most of my devices are Fibaro so work without problem. I do have a POPP
pl=
ug-in module which flags as template missing but it works fine. I have
req=
uested the template be included with Fibaro technical so it should be
inclu=
ded in the future. Search the Fibaro forum for =E2=80=98missing templates=
=E2=80=99 then you can judge if that=E2=80=99s an issue for you. It=E2=80=
=99s no deal breaker for me at the moment.
=20
is this the schema for the device (like a smoke detector having various
par=
ameters)? -=20
Yes you are correct.
=20
Are you around today?
Yes early evening would probably be better though.=20
=20
With all the negative points I raised regarding the Fibaro Home Center 2.
=
I=E2=80=99m glad I upgraded to this controller and I would do it again if
t=
he clock was turned back. I say this because I=E2=80=99m sure in time
thes=
e small issues will be resolved. However its best you are made aware from
=
the start. I wasn=E2=80=99t.
=20
Steve
=20=20
Kind Regards,=20
_________________________________________=20=20=20
Steve Jones
=20
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 19 April 2015 09:55
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
=20
=20=20
Ah that's all interesting. How well do general Z Wave devices work with
HC2=
- when you say 'templates' is this the schema for the device (like a smoke=
detector having various parameters)?
=20
Are you around today?
=20
Cheers,
Paul.
=20
Paul Gale=20
Director=20
Silicon Pixel Limited
<http://www.siliconpixel.com/>
www.siliconpixel.com
Tel: 01367 243317 <tel:01367%20243317>=20
Mob: 07730 465685 <tel:07730%20465685>=20
Skype: siliconpixel
On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:39, Steve Jones email@xxxxxxx <mailto:email@st=
evejones.org> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@yahoogroups.=
com> > wrote:
Paul,
=20
These Z-Wave switches look nice. I dont know anything about them though!
=20
http://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-mco-touch-panel-switch-two-load
=20
Another thing to note.. The Z-Wave protocol should be universal and this
is=
written in the specs, meaning that all Z-Wave products should work togethe=
r. However some features may not be supported with some Z-Wave products.
=
There is also a revision in the specs called Z-Wave Plus, the specs say it
=
should be backward compatible but the Plus features may not be supported
wi=
th older Z-Wave products. I think one of the new Plus features is a
longer=
range. There is no word on if the HC2 supports Plus yet!.
=20
Oh one other negative for the HC2, due to the locked down nature its not
po=
ssible to add templates for device features that are not already included
i=
n the firmware of the OS. It has to be done by emailing Fibaro the
technic=
al specs of the product you want adding together with a template of the
dev=
ice you included in your system and they say it will be added in a coming
f=
irmware update. At the moment this is a slow process due to their
workload=
.
=20
This is a very good resource from Vesternet and shows what devices they
hav=
e tested with each controller/firmware. ITS A MUST READ!
=20
http://www.vesternet.com/compatibility/z-wave-compatibility-guide
=20
Yes you are welcome to TeamViewer in to my HC2 when do you want to do it?
=20
Steve=20
=20
=20
=20
Kind Regards,=20
_________________________________________=20=20=20
Steve Jones
=20
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 19 April 2015 09:18
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
=20
=20=20
Thanks Steve,
=20
I'm pretty excited about the HC2 and particularly the dimmer modules etc
th=
at they have. Seem to have the functionality I use regularly with my CBus
u=
nits but at a fraction of the cost! Obviously no LCD displays but should
be=
good with the right switches (still to research).=20
=20
I might take you up on having a look around your system when you have a mo
=
if that's still ok?
=20
Cheers,
Paul.
On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:02, Steve Jones email@xxxxxxx <mailto:email@st=
evejones.org> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@yahoogroups.=
com> > wrote:
Yes I prefer the HC2 for two reasons.=20=20
=20
One it has a faster response time than the VeraLite. i.e. when multiple
com=
mands are sent at once, dim, dim etc. (However the VeraLite is a low spec
c=
ontroller and there are other Veras options also available). Dont forget
bo=
th Fibaro and Vera will interface with HomeVision via http requests I can
h=
elp you with this if you need it.
=20
The other reason is it has a much better user interface, both for setup
and=
what I can endpoint screens. iPad and iPhone, I dont have any Android but =
there is a Fibaro App available for this also.
=20
The negatives for Fibaro=20
1) The OS has been totally revamped around Christmas time and has been
r=
eleased as a beta, it still has many bugs. Fibaro are fixing them but
they=
are slow. When the HC2 is shipped it comes with the stable version but no=
t as feature rich as the beta upgrades. (Im not sure what features are
miss=
ing.) As we are on the cutting edge/early adopters a lot of us dont mind
wa=
iting for updates, tinkering and fixing stuff with workarounds.=20=20
=20
2) The Fibaro forums are useful but not as mature as the Micasaverde
(Ve=
ra) forums
=20
3) Even though the user interfaces are nice they are not customisable.
I=
believe you can use Roomie, NetIO or a simple webpage via the HTTP API if =
this is needed.
=20
4) No third party plug-ins allowed yet by Fibaro=20
=20
5) A problem for both the Fibaro and the Vera there are no I/Os on the
c=
ontrollers, they are wireless only units, hence good we have the HTTP API.
=
In the future I may look at using some itach devices. designed to connect
a=
lmost any electrical device to a network in a matter of minutes http://www=
.globalcache.com/products/itach/
=20
Good luck with you final choice, I would love to hear what you go for and
y=
our experiences.
=20
Steve=20
=20
=20
=20
Kind Regards,=20
_________________________________________=20=20=20
Steve Jones
<mailto:email@xxxxxxx> email@xxxxxxx
=20
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 19 April 2015 08:22
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
=20
=20=20
Thanks Steve,
=20
You mentioned that you're going from Vera to HC2. Which do you prefer? I'm
=
guessing the HC2?
=20
Thanks,
=20
Paul.
=20
_____________________________
From: Steve Jones email@xxxxxxx <mailto:email@xxxxxxx> [ukha=
_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> >
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 07:59
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> >
=20
Hi Paul,
=20
I cant help you with advice on Z-Wave Alarm systems. However, if you end
u=
p choosing the Fibaro Home Center 2 it has a built in plug-in for a Satel
A=
larm System. Im sure the Vera will have many more plug-in options for
alarm=
s.=20=20
=20
The Fibaro is sadly lacking in plug-ins, as its not currently open to
third=
party developers. Albeit its said to be coming in the future.=20
=20
=20
=20
Kind Regards,=20
_________________________________________=20=20=20
Steve Jones
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 19 April 2015 07:39
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave connectivity?
=20
=20=20
So as I'll be losing Comfort in the new house, what wire-free alarm
systems=
that have good Z Wave connectivity should I be looking at? Not interested =
in a monitored system but something that is reliable with battery powered
P=
IRs etc. main panel can be mains powered of course.=20
=20
Thanks,
Paul.
On 16 Apr 2015, at 07:58, Paul Gale groups2@xxxxxxx <mailto:groups=
2@xxxxxxx> [ukha_d] <ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@yahoog=
roups.com> > wrote:
Thanks Steve :)
=20
Paul.
=20
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx> [mailto:ukha_=
d@xxxxxxx]=20
Sent: 16 April 2015 07:44
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx <mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx>=20
Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Best group/forum for z wave and alarm advice?
=20
http://forum.fibaro.com/
=20
http://forum.micasaverde.com/
=20
=20
Kind Regards,=20
_________________________
Steve Jones
email@xxxxxxx <mailto:email@xxxxxxx>=20=20
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<span
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anguage:EN-US'>Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:=
EN-US'>Answers to your questions below
=E2=80=93<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F49=
7D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><u>How well do general Z Wave devices work with
HC2?</u> =E2=80=93 <o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Most of my devices
are Fibaro so work with=
out problem.=C2=A0 I do have a POPP plug-in module which flags as template
=
missing but it works fine.=C2=A0 I have requested the template be included
=
with Fibaro technical so it should be included in the future.=C2=A0 Search
=
the Fibaro forum for =E2=80=98missing templates=E2=80=99 then you can
judge=
if that=E2=80=99s an issue for you.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s no deal breaker for=
me at the moment.<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><u>is this the schema for the device (like
a smoke det=
ector having various parameters)?</u> -
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>Yes you are correct.<span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:=
#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p
class=3DM=
soNormal><span
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p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><u>Are you around today?<o:p>=
</o:p></u></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yes early
evening would probably be bett=
er though. <o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>With all the negative points I raised regarding the Fibaro
Ho=
me Center 2.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m glad I upgraded to this controller and I
wou=
ld do it again if the clock was turned back.=C2=A0 I say this because I=E2=
=80=99m sure in time these small issues will be resolved.=C2=A0 However
its=
best you are made aware from the start.=C2=A0 I
wasn=E2=80=99t.<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Steve<sp=
an
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"=
;color:#1F497D'> <br>Kind Regards,
<br>_________________________=
________________ <br>Steve
Jones<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
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mm 0mm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=3DEN-US st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>
ukha_d@yahoogr=
oups.com [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 April 2015 09:=
55<br><b>To:</b>
ukha_d@xxxxxxx<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d] Bes=
t wire free alarm system with Z Wave
connectivity?<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal>&nb=
sp; <o:p></o:p></p><div id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div
id=3Dygrp-msg><div id=3Dygrp-t=
ext><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ah that's all interesting. How
well do genera=
l Z Wave devices work with HC2 - when you say 'templates' is this the
schem=
a for the device (like a smoke detector having various
parameters)?<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p
c=
lass=3DMsoNormal>Are you around
today?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3D=
MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Paul.<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>Paul
Gale <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DM=
soNormal>Director <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Silic=
on Pixel
Limited<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.siliconpixel.com/"><span
style=3D'color:black'>www.siliconpixel.c=
om</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Tel: <a hr=
ef=3D"tel:01367%20243317">01367
243317</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>Mob: <a
href=3D"tel:07730%20465685">07730 465685</a><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>Skype: siliconpixel<o:p></o:p></=
p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>=
On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:39, Steve Jones <a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx=
g">email@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogrou=
ps.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquo=
te
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p
class=3DMsoN=
ormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'>Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'colo=
r:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'=
>These Z-Wave switches look nice. I dont know anything about
them tho=
ugh!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:=
auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href=3D"http://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-mco-touch=
-panel-switch-two-load">http://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-mco-touch-panel-swi=
tch-two-load</a><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <=
/span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;=
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Another
thing to =
note.. The Z-Wave protocol should be universal and this is written in the
s=
pecs, meaning that all Z-Wave products should work together.
However =
some features may not be supported with some Z-Wave products.
There i=
s also a revision in the specs called Z-Wave Plus, the specs say it should
=
be backward compatible but the Plus features may not be supported with
olde=
r Z-Wave products. I think one of the new Plus features is a
longer r=
ange. There is no word on if the HC2 supports Plus
yet!.</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Oh one other negative for the
HC2, due =
to the locked down nature its not possible to add templates for device
feat=
ures that are not already included in the firmware of the OS. It
has =
to be done by emailing Fibaro the technical specs of the product you want
a=
dding together with a template of the device you included in your system
an=
d they say it will be added in a coming firmware update. At the
momen=
t this is a slow process due to their
workload.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'=
><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNo=
rmal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
sty=
le=3D'color:#1F497D'>This is a very good resource from Vesternet and
shows =
what devices they have tested with each controller/firmware. ITS
A MU=
ST READ!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-=
alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </=
span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;m=
so-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href=3D"http://www.vesternet.com/compatibilit=
y/z-wave-compatibility-guide">http://www.vesternet.com/compatibility/z-wave=
-compatibility-guide</a><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'=
> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-a=
lt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Yes you a=
re welcome to TeamViewer in to my HC2 when do you want to do
it?</span><o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Steve <br> <br> <=
br> <br>Kind Regards,
<br>_________________________________________&nb=
sp; <br>Steve
Jones<br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p
class=
=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><=
span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div
style=3D=
'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm
0mm'><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:aut=
o'><b><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span l=
ang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogroup=
s.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
">mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 April 2015 09:18<b=
r><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
om</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ukha_d] Best wire
free alarm system with Z W=
ave
connectivity?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div
id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dygrp-msg><d=
iv id=3Dygrp-text><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:aut=
o;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks
Steve,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'=
> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm pretty excited about the HC2
an=
d particularly the dimmer modules etc that they have. Seem to have the
func=
tionality I use regularly with my CBus units but at a fraction of the
cost!=
Obviously no LCD displays but should be good with the right switches (stil=
l to
research). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-marg=
in-bottom-alt:auto'>I might take you up on having a look around your
system=
when you have a mo if that's still
ok?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNo=
rmal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Paul.<o:p=
></o:p></p></div></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-al=
t:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 19 Apr 2015, at 09:02, Steve
Jones <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx";>email@xxxxxxx</a>
[ukha_d] <<=
a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wro=
te:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom=
:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso=
-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Yes I
prefer the HC2=
for two reasons.
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D=
'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#=
1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>On=
e it has a faster response time than the VeraLite. i.e. when multiple
comma=
nds are sent at once, dim, dim etc. (However the VeraLite is a low spec
con=
troller and there are other Veras options also available). Dont forget
both=
Fibaro and Vera will interface with HomeVision via http requests I can hel=
p you with this if you need
it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'=
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ms=
o-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F4=
97D'>The other reason is it has a much better user interface, both for
setu=
p and what I can endpoint screens. iPad and iPhone, I dont have any
Android=
but there is a Fibaro App available for this
also.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p=
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DM=
soNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span=
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The negatives for Fibaro
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>1)</span><span style=
=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'>The OS has been totally revamped around Christmas time
and =
has been released as a beta, it still has many bugs. Fibaro are
fixin=
g them but they are slow. When the HC2 is shipped it comes with
the s=
table version but not as feature rich as the beta upgrades. (Im not sure
wh=
at features are missing.) As we are on the cutting edge/early adopters a
lo=
t of us dont mind waiting for updates, tinkering and fixing stuff with
work=
arounds. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span styl=
e=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoListParagraph=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>2)</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;colo=
r:#1F497D'> </span><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The Fiba=
ro forums are useful but not as mature as the Micasaverde (Vera)
forums</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'=
> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>3)</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> &n=
bsp; </span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Even though
the user interf=
aces are nice they are not customisable. I believe you can use Roomie,
NetI=
O or a simple webpage via the HTTP API if this is
needed.</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>4)=
</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</s=
pan><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>No third party plug-ins allowed
yet by Fi=
baro </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span style=3D'color=
:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span sty=
le=3D'color:#1F497D'>5)</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'=
> </span><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>A problem for both=
the Fibaro and the Vera there are no I/Os on the controllers, they are wir=
eless only units, hence good we have the HTTP API. In the future I may
look=
at using some itach devices. </span><span
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:=
#555555;background:white'>designed to connect almost any electrical
device =
to a network in a matter of minutes</span><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> &n=
bsp;</span><a href=3D"http://www.globalcache.com/products/itach/";>http://ww=
w.globalcache.com/products/itach/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoListParag=
raph><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DM=
soNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span=
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Good luck with you final choice, I would love to
h=
ear what you go for and your
experiences.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span=
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNor=
mal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
styl=
e=3D'color:#1F497D'>Steve <br> <br> <br> <br>Kind
Regar=
ds, <br>_________________________________________
<br>Steve Jon=
es<br></span><a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx";><span
style=3D'color:#=
0563C1'>email@xxxxxxx</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p
class=3DMsoN=
ormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div
style=3D'border=
:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p
class=3D=
MsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><=
span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
lang=3DE=
N-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>=
ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>mailt=
o:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 19 April
2015 08:22<br><b>To=
:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><=
br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system
with Z Wave con=
nectivity?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'm=
so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to'> <o:p></o:p></p><div
id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dygrp-msg><div id=
=3Dygrp-text><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:aut=
o;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks
Steve,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'=
> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You mentioned that you're going
fro=
m Vera to HC2. Which do you prefer? I'm guessing the
HC2?<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Paul.<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>________________________=
_____<br>From: Steve Jones <a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx";>email@st=
evejones.org</a> [ukha_d] <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukh=
a_d@xxxxxxx</a>><br>Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015
07:59<br>Subjec=
t: RE: [ukha_d] Best wire free alarm system with Z Wave
connectivity?<br>To=
: <<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>&=
gt;<br><br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'colo=
r:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'=
>Hi Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <=
/span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;=
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I cant
help you w=
ith advice on Z-Wave Alarm systems. However, if you end up
choosing t=
he Fibaro Home Center 2 it has a built in plug-in for a Satel Alarm
System.=
Im sure the Vera will have many more plug-in options for alarms.
</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The Fibaro is sadly
lacking i=
n plug-ins, as its not currently open to third party developers. Albeit
its=
said to be coming in the future.
</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span s=
tyle=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p
class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style=3D'co=
lor:#1F497D'><br> <br> <br>Kind
Regards, <br>____________________=
_____________________ <br>Steve
Jones</span><o:p></o:p></p><div=
><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm=
0mm 0mm'><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</sp=
an></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> <a
href=3D"mailto:ukh=
a_d@xxxxxxx">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@y=
ahoogroups.com">mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 Apri=
l 2015 07:39<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d=
@yahoogroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [ukha_d]
Best wire free alarm syste=
m with Z Wave
connectivity?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p
class=3DMso=
Normal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div
id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dy=
grp-msg><div id=3Dygrp-text><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So as I'll be losing Comfort in
the=
new house, what wire-free alarm systems that have good Z Wave connectivity=
should I be looking at? Not interested in a monitored system but something=
that is reliable with battery powered PIRs etc. main panel can be mains po=
wered of
course. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-b=
ottom:12.0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-=
margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Paul.<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bott=
om:12.0pt'><br>On 16 Apr 2015, at 07:58, Paul Gale <a
href=3D"mailto:groups=
2@xxxxxxx">groups2@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <<a
href=3D"ma=
ilto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:=
p></p></div><blockquote
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks Steve
</span><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=
=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><=
span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Paul.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p
class=
=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><=
span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div
style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm
0mm'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto'><b><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogr=
oups.com">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@yahoogroups.=
com">mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>]
<br><b>Sent:</b> 16 April 2015 07:4=
4<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";>ukha_d@yahoogroup=
s.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [ukha_d] Re: Best
group/forum for z wave and a=
larm
advice?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>=
<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-=
margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href=3D"http://forum.fib=
aro.com/">http://forum.fibaro.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3D=
MsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-al=
t:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href=3D"http://forum.micasaverde.com/=
">http://forum.micasaverde.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p
class=
=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br> <br>Kind
Regards, <br>_____=
____________________<br>Steve Jones<br><a href=3D"mailto:email@xxxxxxx=
rg">email@xxxxxxx</a>
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal=
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div></div><p
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:=
auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p
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mal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img
borde=
r=3D0 width=3D1 height=3D1 id=3D"_x0000_i1025" src=3D"http://s.bl-1.com/jqv=
vCZM.gif" alt=3D"
"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div=
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